4 Million

[Hebden]

Sailor wrote:
Hebden wrote:
In other words, unless or until revisionists can account for the fate of the 3-4 million apparently missing Jews, we, for one, will not blame anybody for refusing to take the wider revisionist case seriously.

Who did the counting of the 3-4 million missing Jews?

We choose the figures of Mr. Reitlinger as those being nearest our upper limit of 4 million. Unfortunately this board's software does not make it easy to tabulate data.

SUMMARY OF EXTERMINATION ESTIMATES

Columns: Low - High - Anglo-American Committee's Figures April, 1946


Germany (1938 frontiers) 160,000 180,000 195,000
Austria 58,000 60,000 53,000
Czechoslovakia (1938) 233,000 243,000 255,000
Denmark (less than 100) 1,500
France 60,000 65,000 140,000
Belgium 25,000 28,000 57,000
Luxembourg 3,000 3,000 3,000
Norway 700 700 1,000
Holland 104,000 104,000 120,000
Italy 8,500 9,500 20,000
Jugoslavia 55,000 58,000 64,000
Greece 57,000 60,000 64,000
Bulgaria (pre-1941 frontier) - - 5,000
Rumania (pre-1940 frontier) 200,000* 220,000* 530,000
Hungary (1938 frontiers) 180,000 200,000 200,000
Poland (1939 frontiers) 2,350,000* 2,600,000* 3,271,000
USSR (pre-1939 frontiers) 700,000* 750,000* 1,050,000
plus Baltic States


Sum Total 4,194,200* 4,581,200* (6,029,500-308,000 dispersed refugees) = 5,721,800



* Owing to lack of reliable information at the time of writing, these figures may be regarded as conjectural (1953)

[Hannover]

Frankly, this is nothing more than bizarre, unsubstantiated wishful thinking, and judeo-propaganda hogwash from Reitlinger.

Please show us the mass graves and human remains.
Millions and no physical evidence to support it? Impossible. It's a fraud.

Where's your proof, Hebden?

- Hannover

[Sailor]

We choose the figures of Mr. Reitlinger as those being nearest our upper limit of 4 million. Unfortunately this board's software does not make it easy to tabulate data.

So then combining this with Hebden’s post from the thread “A Righteous Jew speaks up” this could read:

In other words, unless or until revisionists can account for the fate of the 3-4 million apparently missing Jews, as estimated by Mr. Reitlinger, we, for one, will not blame anybody for refusing to take the wider revisionist case seriously.

I don’t blame anyone for taking anything serious or not. I couldn’t care less. I have better things to do with my time.

As far as the numbers of Jewish victims are concerned, I personally prefer the statistical methods used and the results of the estimates by Sanning in “The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry”.

If one looks at the number of Jewish survivors who applied for German reparations, with the number of Jews living in areas which were under German control at that time I simply can not understand how Reitlinger could possibly arrive at his numbers.
The number of Jewish survivors is estimated by Rudolf to about 4 million, the number of Jews living in German controlled areas as per Sanning is between 4 to 5 million.

Revisionist can not account for the wherabouts of 3 to 4 million Jews who never existed in the first place. IMHO.

[Hebden]

I don’t blame anyone for taking anything serious or not. I couldn’t care less. I have better things to do with my time.

At your age we can't blame you for such a solipsistic attitude. Thankfully, Mr Rudolf, for whose magazine you spend time translating articles, is not of the same mind.

As far as the numbers of Jewish victims are concerned, I personally prefer the statistical methods used and the results of the estimates by Sanning in “The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry”.

Mr. Sanning's book serves as a useful crutch but one should try and stand on one's own two feet.

If one looks at the number of Jewish survivors who applied for German reparations, with the number of Jews living in areas which were under German control at that time I simply can not understand how Reitlinger could possibly arrive at his numbers.

How many Jews applied for German reparations?

Revisionist can not account for the wherabouts of 3 to 4 million Jews who never existed in the first place. IMHO.

To deny that people died is one thing, to deny they were even born is quite another.

[neugierig]

How many Jews applied for German reparations?

How many indeed? I've read figures from 3.5 million to 4.5 million, the first one being quoted most often. Do we know for certain how many did?

As well, why would anyone accept Reitlinger's numbers and question Sanning's, i.e., call them a 'crutch'? We just don't know, or do we?

Wilf

[Hannover]

Hebden, quit creating strawman arguments. No one 'denies that people died'.

The point is that you have no proof for your beloved 4 million Jews that you allege were murdered. It's that simple, you cannot substantiate your position; and I notice you haven't even tried.

Your 4,000,000 and the other 9,000,000 that is alleged for a grand total of 13,000,000 makes the entire matter absolutely pathetic.


- Hannover

[Sailor]

At your age we can't blame you for such a solipsistic attitude. Thankfully, Mr. Rudolf, for whose magazine you spend time translating articles, is not of the same mind.

Just curious, what does “solipsistic” stand for?

Mr. Sanning's book serves as a useful crutch but one should try and stand on one's own two feet.

On this subject Mr. Sanning’s book is certainly a better ‘crutch’ than Reitlinger’s book. Sanning is a statistician, Reitlinger is not, he is a Jewish art dealer.
I am an engineer and not a statistician either.

How many Jews applied for German reparations?

Check it out at http://vho.org

To deny that people died is one thing, to deny they were even born is quite another.

The mathematics don’t add up. The difference between number of Jews in German controlled areas and number of survivors does not result in 3-4 million disappeared people, nor in the number which Reitlinger estimated. Any explanation?

[Hannover]

Sailor, the only explanation is 'holocau$t math'.

'holocau$t math' + 'holocau$t science' + lying = the biggest load of nonsense imaginable.

- Hannover

[Hebden]

Sailor, the only explanation is 'holocau$t math'.

'holocau$t math' + 'holocau$t science' + lying = the biggest load of nonsense imaginable.

- Hannover

Here's an interesting calculation:

He and the actor's mother, Joye Gibson, also told The Times that the Holocaust was a fabrication manufactured to hide an arrangement between Adolf Hitler and "financiers" to move Jews out of Germany to the Middle East to fight Arabs.

"Go and ask an undertaker or the guy who operates the crematorium what it takes to get rid of a dead body," Hutton Gibson told The Times. "It takes one liter of petrol and 20 minutes. Now six million?"

Said Joye Gibson: "That weren't even that many Jews in all of Europe."

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/030903_nw_gibson.html

[Hannover]

You still haven't responded to requests for proof of your alleged '4 million' murdered Jews.

Whatever the Gibsons said has nothing to do with your lack of proof.

Changing the subject now, Hebden?

- Hannover

[TMoran]

Hebden says something about "we":
We choose the figures of Mr. Reitlinger as those being nearest our upper limit of 4 million. Unfortunately this board's software does not make it easy to tabulate data.

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As to the "we" choosing Reitlinger that's what we will always get from members of the Holocaust community because his Auschwitz number is more in line with the current number. But alas, that's Reitlinger whereas there are scores more who said anywhere from 2 million to 6 million. And then we have hundreds of references to the alleged 4 million being cited in articles and such, and then too, there were those posted plaques
right outside of Auschwitz that told all the visitors about the 4 million.

Referring to Reitlinger is a desperate canard. Like pointing to a beach covered with white sand with one grain of black sand and saying the beach is grey.

[Hebden]

You still haven't responded to requests for proof of your alleged '4 million' murdered Jews.
- Hannover

We said nothing about anybody having been murdered, just that 3-4 million people were apparently missing.

[Hannover]

While apparently in full retreat, Hebden said:

We said nothing about anybody having been murdered, just that 3-4 million people were apparently missing.

After he had given Reitlinger's numbers entitled:

SUMMARY OF EXTERMINATION ESTIMATES

And yet he cannot even substantiate the claim that they were 'missing' or 'exterminated'.

My, my...talk about dodging.

- Hannover

[neugierig]

We said nothing about anybody having been murdered, just that 3-4 million people were apparently missing

I have no problem with this. If memory serves me correctly, J. Graf acknowlegded this as a problem, 'where are they?' To say that there must be physical evidence for everything will not satisfy the average person.
I'm not suggesting that 3-4 million were murdered or even missing, but revisionism must prove that they were not/are not. As well, yes, Germans are guilty unless they can prove their innocence, that's how it is, right or wrong.

Wilf

[Hannover]

Hebden's reference to Reitlinger indicates that he thinks they were "exterminated", read the post. There is no evidence for that bizarre belief.

As to where Jews went?...well, they went where Jews are. Jews were simply flooding out of Europe after WWII.

It's illogical to ask someone to prove that millions were not murdered when in fact there is no proof that they were, a very simple concept really.

- Hannover