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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 week ago (Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:49 pm)

hermod wrote:
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hermod wrote:And the mainstream mass media in France between 1940 and 1939 never missed a chance to report with many details the killings of French women, children and babies by Allied bombers. German (Northern France) and Petainist (Central & Southern France) propagandists were very efficient at spreading anti-Allied hostility and pro-Axis sympathy in the French population.

I guess you mean 1944/45.


No, I meant 1940-1944, that is after France had been militarily defeated by the Germans and before the Allied armies had invaded a significant part of France. That fact is vastly forgotten today, but Allied planes bombed French people, factories and infrastructures during the entire time when France was occupied by German soldiers and the German & Petainist press often reported the victims of those bombs as good food for anti-Allies propaganda (the Allies were called Libératueurs (Libera-killers) instead of Libérateurs (Liberators) in wartime French newspapers). The Allied bombing of France was very high in June 1944 and the following months, but it had begun several years before that time. In fact, more French citizens were killed by the Allies than by the Germans during WWII. Of course, the roman national written by DeGaulle's regime carefully concealed that fact afterwards.


Indeed something we should investigate further and detail a bit. It's more for the WW2 section of course.
I recall this long ago. Occupied France - 'liberated France' that a lot was swept under the carpet. This would be victims of bombing as well as victims of the purge afterwards. This may however also the reason why many French have some distance to this nowadays. Not consciously, but as a matter of sensing that there is something wrong with the narrative and rather keep it untouched before cognitive dissonance kicks in.

Not sure what they have in their school books though. That said a school book survey could also come in rather handy. To demonstrate the misrepresentation therein (to use an understatement).

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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby hermod » 1 month 1 week ago (Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:14 pm)

Hektor wrote:Indeed something we should investigate further and detail a bit. It's more for the WW2 section of course.
I recall this long ago. Occupied France - 'liberated France' that a lot was swept under the carpet. This would be victims of bombing as well as victims of the purge afterwards. This may however also the reason why many French have some distance to this nowadays. Not consciously, but as a matter of sensing that there is something wrong with the narrative and rather keep it untouched before cognitive dissonance kicks in.

Not sure what they have in their school books though. That said a school book survey could also come in rather handy. To demonstrate the misrepresentation therein (to use an understatement).


Vincent Reynouard made several well-documented videos about those forgotten French victims of Allied bombings, but that was a few years ago and all his YouTube channels have been annihilated (ironically, talking about the victims of the Allied armies is "hate speech," so showing that the democratic euphemism "hate speech" is not about hate) in the meantime. Don't know if those vids were reuploaded elsewhere. :?
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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 week ago (Fri Apr 28, 2023 1:47 am)

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Hektor wrote:Indeed something we should invest.....That said a school book survey could also come in rather handy. To demonstrate the misrepresentation therein (to use an understatement).


Vincent Reynouard made several well-documented videos about those forgotten French victims of Allied bombings, but that was a few years ago and all his YouTube channels have been annihilated (ironically, talking about the victims of the Allied armies is "hate speech," so showing that the democratic euphemism "hate speech" is not about hate) in the meantime. Don't know if those vids were reuploaded elsewhere. :?


I got some videos from Reynouard on archive.org. He does a lot of French, so it's hard to follow for many that I would target with videos.

And indeed it is remarkable how information about Allied warfare and war crimes is treated. It suddenly is 'hate speech', when people are told that the Allies killed civilians deliberately. They never had an issue with the film genre of Holocausting, which peddles atrocity propaganda stories. And those movies are designed to create hate and of course unwarranted sympathy for present day Jewish causes.

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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby hermod » 1 month 1 week ago (Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:36 am)

Hektor wrote:And indeed it is remarkable how information about Allied warfare and war crimes is treated. It suddenly is 'hate speech', when people are told that the Allies killed civilians deliberately. They never had an issue with the film genre of Holocausting, which peddles atrocity propaganda stories. And those movies are designed to create hate and of course unwarranted sympathy for present day Jewish causes.


"Bomber" Harris unambiguously said to his collaborators in the British Air Ministry and in his memoirs that destroying German factories was a bonus of Britain's bombing policy during WWII and that the real targets of British bombers were the inhabitants living in the dwelling places of the German working class. But say that the Allies deliberately killed many civilians during WWII and you're systematically silenced for alleged "hate speech" in the minute. Most of time, "hate speech" is not about hate. It's all about untold censorship and the preservation of the moral high ground of power-holders.

History is not a narration of the past. It is a prostitute of the present, submissively working for the best interests of the current power-holders. As Netanyahu stated, what matters is not the justice of your position but the perceived justice of your position.

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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 week ago (Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:05 am)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:And indeed it is remarkable how information about Allied warfare and war crimes is treated. It suddenly is 'hate speech', when people are told that the Allies killed civilians deliberately. They never had an issue with the film genre of Holocausting, which peddles atrocity propaganda stories. And those movies are designed to create hate and of course unwarranted sympathy for present day Jewish causes.


"Bomber" Harris unambiguously said to his collaborators in the British Air Ministry and in his memoirs that destroying German factories was a bonus of Britain's bombing policy during WWII and that the real targets of British bombers were the inhabitants living in the dwelling places of the German working class. But say that the Allies deliberately killed many civilians during WWII and you're systematically silenced for alleged "hate speech" in the minute. Most of time, "hate speech" is not about hate. It's all about untold censorship and the preservation of the moral high ground of power-holders.

History is not a narration of the past. It is a prostitute of the present, submissively working for the best interests of the current power-holders. As Netanyahu stated, what matters is not the justice of your position but the perceived justice of your position.

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I think one needs to distinguish between history and historiography.
History is what happened. Historiography is about what is written down.
Now there are differences in quality between historiography of course. That's why one needs to approach it methodologically. The general problem is that the history writers already have a story in mind and all they do is gathering what fits the story and then find what suits them, writing a historiography they do like.

As far as the 'dehousing' or 'morale bombing' campaign is concerned, it was pretty obvious that this was done with the goal of maximizing civilian casualties. It was also clearly criminal by the standards of the era itself. It was even silly to do so, unless you want to extent the war of course.

Of course there is interest into killing that story. And I think this was one motivation for the IMT and accusing the Germans to be head-shrinkers, Jewgassers and all kind of other 'atrocity perpetrators'. The narrative created was a useful distraction from what the Western Allies did in terms of Air-War. Funny enough, the dead in the camps with 'liberation' died as result of the air war. And that makes it also plausible to push the narrative so nobody will see that connection, but ascribes mortality to some obnoxious genocidal policy.


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