New Denierbud video. "The CIA During World War II"

[Hektor]

Those little mistake happen easily. And it's good we can detect them here so they can be sorted out. In debates I noticed how 'the other side' likes to make a big fuss about 'little problems'... Meanwhile you actually called them out on fundamental or big issues, which they prefer to uphold.

That's what I love about this community, and revisionists in general. Maybe we are just a bunch of high functioning autists who are more oriented towards truth than social acceptance, but as someone who has never been satisfied with brushing off even small errors in research & scholarship, it is a breath of fresh air here.

It stands to be expected that producing text or video will not be perfect on first try. And it is quite a schlepp to go through all the things oneself... So critical third parties (that want one to succeed) can be very useful.

Hektor wrote:

Not sure what version they showed in Nuremberg 'as evidence'... But there was a shockumentary named 'Death Mills', and this seems to be the 'public' version of what is shown in Nuremberg.

The Nuremberg film "Nazi Concentration Camps" has part of it lifted from the Psych Warfare (name changed to 'Information Control' after the war) film Death Mills. Even though those affidavits attest they they personally were involved in all the footage. Yet, it's from a different department so they weren't personally involved.
...

Not sure whether those are different versiosn:
https://archive.org/details/1945-04-26_ ... rder_Mills
But I imagine that sykewar, but also tasked movie makers like Billy Wilders, Alfred Hitchcock, etc. produced far more movie footage, which then could be used in the various version. I recall I confused I was that Alfred Hitchcock was engaged with this. I didn't know who Billy Wilder was . But Hitchcock I recalled from films like Birds. Why would they tasked someone that makes entertainment and horror movies with this? To most people those details seem however go unnoticed. The shock and awe of the first video footage seems to be what gets them predisposed on the matter.

But if I recall how we were introduced to this, it was of that sykewar/information control footage that was give to us. And it must have been already in the 1980s. Given the 'educative intent' I wondered later, why they didn't have thorough investigative material. Well, I later found out what this actually was and that it wasn't motivated by the aim to 'objectively inform citizens and pupils'.

I was told by a teacher, for German, but himself an Afrikaner. That when he was in Germany/Saarland during the 1950s as a student that he was visiting a cinema there. Before the movie started propaganda clips of that sort where first shown and the audience had to stand up and 'declare themselves guilty'. He refused to do so and when occupational soldiers noticed this, they came to him and asked about it. He told that he was a tourist not a German and they left him alone after that. Needless to say that this teacher became very skeptical about the matter altogether.
To me it sounds as if initial reeducation efforts were too blunt and obvious. I doubt it convinced many Germans and rationally they realized that this was blatant attempt at propaganda by people they knew were cruel and lying. But the shear fact that they can humiliate you having to watch this obvious propaganda already has an effect. You won't be ass confident to contradict this propaganda, when asked by a younger person. With time this can shift the debate in a direction it won't have had, if there was no 'reeducation' and only fact based information available.

I should add that my impression is that Germany's post war debates on National Socialism and WW2 were not about 'gas chambers' and 'extermination of Jews'. That was at best a side issue or something that was exotic. The 1950s debate was rather about 'suppression of political dissent by the Nazis' or 'Nazi militarism' as well as ex-NSDAP members being in the civil service. This was considered as to relaxed by some figures and it lead to the claim that "Germany isn't dealing with its past'. Theodor Adorno did do a whole lecture about this ("Was bedeutet Aufarbeitung der Vergangenheit"). And it was a field day for those folks that were influenced by the 68ers later. It gave them something into the hand to deal with their seniors at universities or in civil service departments, etc.

It's of course a good question whether and how the long term reeducation efforts were managed by the Allies after the immediate blunt reeducation efforts. I'd say there were, but it wasn't as blunt as this. The aim was to get leading Germans themselves involved in this. Social Psychology was key in this. It should come as no surprise that there was even some planning on the matter. I recall severa names in this. Kurt Lewin was one of those earlier social psychologists that did amazing work on how to manipulate/influence people and their social attitudes.


More on this Jack Taylor character:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Hendrick_Taylor
His Mauthausen Tale is mentioned as well. Don't think this really can be harmonized with present historiography. Although they stick to their Mauthausen gas chamber, while it is pretty obvious that this was nothing like that.


I mentioned Kurt Lewin. Here is a very revealing collection of texts by him:
https://archive.org/details/KurtLewinRe ... s/mode/2up

Morris Janowitz also published a very revealing article in 1946:
https://archive.org/details/MorrisJanow ... Atrocities

"Reeducation", changing and managing the culture of large groups was taken very seriously by a number of government officials and academics at the time. Also BEFORE World War Two... And that's where it can get really interesting for the question whether there was a long-term plan or whether events unfolded opportunistically.

Concerning "Psychological Warfare", the Allies, especially the Americans didn't spare any investment in the matter. They got anyone into in it considered an expert and they had a whole division dealing with it almost exclusively. I don't think there was anything like this on the Axis side and also not with the other Allied countries, while Britain and the USSR definitely had done some work on this.

NS-Propaganda was merely clever advertising with flags, uniforms, marches, speeches, music and initiating some 'positive feelings' among the followers. Elements of deep psychology involving shaming and guilt-tripping are missing entirely. Dr. Goebbels merely applied what he got from Bernays and others and what was already in tradition. The Sykewar stuff is far more advanced mind changing and mind control to further political goals within a long term framework of a strategy. Those involved in the program weren't explicitly told that this is about control or more nefarious goals, but to "teach the Germans to be come democratic and humane". The issue is however that those involved in managing and operating the project held deep grudges against German society and culture from the time already from long before they even left Germany. I think this is apparent with some of the role players in the Frankfurt School and it even can be shown from their writings that they had a deep-seated hate against Germans that was actually unrelated to National Socialism.

I find it interesting that, while this isn't detected immediately, that one can actually demonstrate a pattern on how both psychological warfare and long term cultural change was researched, planned and executed by a larger number of people over a broader spectrum. E.g. I don't think that they agreed on political and policy issues except that their goal was Allied victory and "reeducating the Germans". There were even articles on this in the press in Allied countries featuring prominent academics advocating this.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/arti ... 20Einstein

[greatmystery]

Hi everybody, I made a new video. It's only 10 minutes long. Would like to hear what you think.

https://odysee.com/@Denierbud:0/ciaduringworldwar2:1

I don't have anything new to add that hasn't already been said here. The research you do and the connections you find are always impressive.

I just wanted to thank you for getting me into Holocaust revisionism and for the content for my website that your documentaries have provided. https://www.holocaust.claims/page/1/?s=irebodd

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Hi Hektor, meant to mention that that's a good point about the Eichmann Trial in the early 60's.

There is an article on Nuremberg films called:

NUREMBERG: A DEFINITIVE SURVEY OF THE EVIDENTIARY FILMS
William T. Murphy
National Archives and Records Administration (Retired)

From "Film and History 50.2"

Murphy can't see the forest through the trees concept of the absurdity of OSS agents making Nuremberg evidence films, but points out some interesting things about the film Nazi Concentration Camps:
No one ever knew who the narrator was, and Jews were mentioned once:

In fact, the anonymous narrator mentions the word
“Jews” only one time, en passant, and the scenes of inmates, living or dead, are not specifically
identified as Jews.

Maybe it's minutiae, but neither Murphy nor the US Holocaust Memorial Museum seem to know there are two versions.

Version 1
https://archive.org/details/gov.archives.arc.43452

Version 2
https://archive.org/details/nazi_concentration_camps

One has an affidavit witness Edward Chambers Betts who died in 1946 from a heart attack; and who strangely is not in the OSS database.

[Hektor]

I'd expect that there are even more versions that were circulating. Simply because the material was reviewed for error and also changed for the purpose they tried to achieve with the footage. Clearly it was about making an impact on the minds of the audiences. But the audiences also varied. I'd guess one could identify several categories there:
* Army personnel. Your own soldiers.
* German public audience.
* German prisoners of war.
* Allied civilian population.
* Other countries.
* The trials may be a category on its own.

Not playing the Jew card is however an interesting feature. A significant portion of those in concentration camp had a Jewish background. And isn't it said that the reason for their detention was them being of Jewish extraction. So why not mention this?

I can see several possible reasons for not bringing it up.
* Given the number of Jews involved in sykewar and also IMT talking to much about Jews as victims would look self-serving.
* If the audience isn't put onto ethnicity, it becomes easier to identify with those shown as suffering / victims in the movie.
* Withhold information and let the audience find out later and from the debate.

The movies were clearly a shock and awe tactic. Give people shocking footage and they get cognitive dissonance loose their cool, get emotional and this all lowers their critical thinking ability.... Rationality and knowledgeability in the audience are always a problem for those that engage in propaganda or thought reform programs or brain washing. And it can be assumed that Allied governments, establishments realizing what they've done themselves and that this got the potential of coming under scrutiny. Realizing that this may not age well, the easiest way out is putting the blame for everything on somebody else and demonize them as much as possible.

The psychological usage of the footage needs also to be considered. This was definitely strategic. So the approach will be different than just trying to gain a few quick points. I pointed out Kurt Lewin and others, but there is definitely more psychologists, sociologists and other thinkers to be considered. There was also some research being done in the post-war era. Edgar Schein and Robert Lifton come to mind. I'm not suggesting they are involved in the Holocaust project, although Lifton did report on some later Nuremberg trials. What they did do is investigate the brainwashing in China and Korea among the targets of the program where American prisoners.

As for those giving affidavits:
Why pick Americans to do so? There is a perhaps a 100.000 or more (ex) prisoners you can pick from. But you pick the Americans?
Of course the command o the English language can be an issue. Americans can speak perfect English, most people from European countries can't. But there is also the issue, if those people work for you e.g. are from your army or intelligence services you can direct what they are going to say as well as what they are not going to say. You can discipline them as well and some of the other prisoners may come over as to malicious and embellish their story too much, where it starts to sound uncredible to the audience.

There is several German speaking 'witnesses' as well. But I guess those are mainly for movies targeting German speaking audiences?


Jack Taylor was in the news:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/advance ... k%20Taylor
He didn't get old though, dying in a flight accident.

A list of interviewed witness in those official 'nazi atrocity exploitation films' may be a useful research item. It can be used to research those people and their biographies further. Also what the percentages were according to background of 'the witness'.

[hermod]

[8:46] "[...] subverting democracy with fake news." Priceless!!

I like it when documentary makers add humor to their works. Very pleasant.

[Merlin300]

That this is about Jews was however implied during the IMT... I recall several of the accused responding to this in that way. The movie and trial proceedings, plus controlled media Germans had access to was working so well... It had the IMT-accused all persuaded that this was somehow real and that 'the other Nazis' had just managed to keep'm in the dark. The standard response was 'we did not know'. And actually this is what virtually ALL older Germans had told me. that they only found out about the Holocaust AFTER the war.

Of course! Remember that the IMT was based on conspiracy theories. The legal affect is create criminal liability for all members of the
"conspiracy. " The conspiracy charge was used to charge the National Socialist leaders, as well as bureaucrats who had never killed anyone or even directly ordered killing.

If we look at the Indictment, defendants and a string of organizations were declared to be "criminal organizations". Membership in any of these groups made you liable for the acts of other "co-conspirators" even if you did not not know who are your fellow co-conspirators were nor know what
they did.


COUNT ONE—THE COMMON PLAN OR CONSPIRACY
(Charter, Article 6, especially 6 (a) )
III. Statement of the Offense
All the defendants, with divers other persons, during a period of years preceding 8th May, 1945, participated
as leaders, organizers, instigators or accomplices in the formulation or execution of a common plan or
conspiracy to commit, or which involved the commission of, Crimes against Peace, War Crimes, and Crimes
against Humanity, as defined in the Charter of this Tribunal, and, in accordance with the provisions of the
Charter, are individually responsible for their own acts and for all acts committed by any persons in the
execution of such plan or conspiracy.

So, as an example Robert Ley was charged with crimes against humanity such as a killing he had no idea about, say the alleged manufacture of human soap. None of the defendants could mount a defense to this claim.

The Indictment goes on with

(A) NAZI PARTY AS THE CENTRAL CORE OF THE COMMON PLAN OR CONSPIRACY
(B) COMMON OBJECTIVES AND METHODS OF CONSPIRACY
(C) DOCTRINAL TECHNIQUES OF THE COMMON PLAN OR CONSPIRACY
(D) THE ACQUIRING OF TOTALITARIAN CONTROL OF GERMANY: POLITICAL

The Indictment goes on with repeated language along the lines-
(c) The Nazi conspirators conceived that, in addition to the suppression of distinctively political opposition,
it was necessary to suppress or exterminate certain other movements or groups which they regarded as
obstacles to their retention of total control in Germany and to the aggressive aims of the conspiracy abroad.
Accordingly:


See. https://www.cvce.eu/en/obj/indictment_p ... ber%201945)&text=On%2018%20October%201945%2C%20the,crimes%20and%20crimes%20against%20humanity.

the Charter of this Tribunal annexed
thereto, hereby accuse as guilty, in the respects hereinafter set forth, of Crimes against Peace, War Crimes,
and Crimes against Humanity, and of a Common Plan or Conspiracy to commit those Crimes, all as defined
in the Charter of the Tribunal, and accordingly name as defendants in this cause and as indicted on the
counts hereinafter set out: HERMANN WILHELM GÖRING, RUDOLF HESS, JOACHIM
VON RIBBENTROP, ROBERT LEY, WILHELM KEITEL, ERNST KALTENBRUNNER, ALFRED
ROSENBERG, HANS FRANK, WILHELM FRICK, JULIUS STREICHER, WALTER FUNK,
HJALMAR SCHACHT, GUSTAV KRUPP VON BOHLEN UND HALBACH, KARL DÖNITZ, ERICH
RAEDER, BALDUR VON SCHIRACH, FRITZ SAUCKEL, ALFRED JODL, MARTIN BORMANN,
FRANZ VON PAPEN, ARTUR SEYSS INQUART, ALBERT SPEER, CONSTANTIN VON NEURATH
AND HANS FRITZSCHE, individually and as members of any of the Groups or Organizations next
hereinafter named.
II. [b]The following are named as Groups or Organizations (since dissolved) which should be declared criminal
by reason of their aims and the means used for the accomplishment thereof and in connection with the
conviction of such of the named defendants as were members thereof:[/b] DIE REICHSREGIERUNG (REICH
CABINET); DAS KORPS DER POLITISCHEN LEITER DER NATIONALSOZIALISTISCHEN
DEUTSCHEN ARBEITERPARTEI (LEADERSHIP CORPS OF THE NAZI PARTY); DIE
SCHUTZSTAFFELN DER NATIONALSOZIALISTISCHEN DEUTSCHEN ARBEITERPARTEI
(commonly known as the "SS") ...

By the way, Jewish groups wanted a separate Indictment for persecution of Jewish people but it was a subcategory of Crimes against
humanity.
See. (d) Implementing their "master race" policy, the conspirators joined in a program of relentless persecution of
the Jews, designed to exterminate them. Annihilation of the Jews became an official State policy, carried out
both by official action and by incitements to mob and individual violence. The conspirators openly avowed
their purpose. For example, the defendant ROSENBERG stated: "Anti Semitism is the unifying element of
the reconstruction of Germany."

The point is that the Nuremberg Trial was fixed so that the defendants had no way to defend themselves against the charges or
disprove the "evidence" such as the document Denierbud cites.

[Hektor]

That this is about Jews was however implied during the IMT... I recall several of the accused responding to this in that way. The movie and trial proceedings, plus controlled media Germans had access to was working so well... It had the IMT-accused all persuaded that this was somehow real and that 'the other Nazis' had just managed to keep'm in the dark. The standard response was 'we did not know'. And actually this is what virtually ALL older Germans had told me. that they only found out about the Holocaust AFTER the war.

Of course! Remember that the IMT was based on conspiracy theories. The legal affect is create criminal liability for all members of the
"conspiracy. " The conspiracy charge was used to charge the National Socialist leaders, as well as bureaucrats who had never killed anyone or even directly ordered killing.

If we look at the Indictment, defendants and a string of organizations were declared to be "criminal organizations". Membership in any of these groups made you liable for the acts of other "co-conspirators" even if you did not not know who are your fellow co-conspirators were nor know what
they did.


COUNT ONE—THE COMMON PLAN OR CONSPIRACY
(Charter, Article 6, especially 6 (a) )
III. Statement of the Offense
All the defendants, with divers other persons, during a period of years preceding 8th May, 1945, participated
as leaders, organizers, instigators or accomplices in the formulation or execution of a common plan or
conspiracy to commit, or which involved the commission of, Crimes against Peace, War Crimes, and Crimes
against Humanity, as defined in the Charter of this Tribunal, and, in accordance with the provisions of the
Charter, are individually responsible for their own acts and for all acts committed by any persons in the
execution of such plan or conspiracy.

So, as an example Robert Ley was charged with crimes against humanity such as a killing he had no idea about, say the alleged manufacture of human soap. None of the defendants could mount a defense to this claim.....

And one can extend here what is meant by conspiracy. Is the conspiracy the leadership of the party.. Perhaps the other NS-organizations. Is it the whole party, all of government or even the whole nation that was 'part of the conspiracy'...? Taken those accused at the IMT trial were mostly in top leadershp position. But where does Julius Streicher fit in there? He was Gauleiter for a while or something... But actually put on leave after the riots in November 1938. OK he published the Stuermer... But that's just a magazine with limited readership. So while not a nobody, he wasn't exactly a top dog there. And could neither have anything to do with the alleged Holocaust, nor with the War. Still was hanged in Nuremberg.

If the NS-trials in the FRG are follow-ups on the IMT, then they have extended the further and further over time. I mean they essentially put conscripted working people on trial for this. No personal guilt needs to be proven, being there was enough for 'aiding and abetting'. That's how insane it has become. It's open mockery of the rule of Law, justified with the Holocaust. Talking about projection. They do that over and over again.

To cover up their criminally insane behavior they need to infuse the Holocaust Remembrance Culture to stick in the minds of people. And that's why they have to jail Revisionists... Who are essentially 'religious offenders', heretics against a cult of humanitarianism in which those 'opposing evil' have the 'moral high ground'. If one thinks about it, one is perplexed about how people can believe all this and comply with it with a straight face.

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Hi Merlin, good point about "conspiracy" that nowadays pejorated word was a big part of the legal basis of that trial!

Hi Hektor, thanks for that link to Jack Taylor in Australian news. The Germans spared Taylor's life and he then went around to testify at trials post-war and, as those articles mention, said outrageous lies about the camps, (I'd never even heard some of those allegations before) in order to get execution verdicts for those on trial.

AND he was a secret agent posing as a regular POW.

What if someone today testified in a major trial, and they were a CIA agent but no one knew that?

[Hektor]

Hi Merlin, good point about "conspiracy" that nowadays pejorated word was a big part of the legal basis of that trial!

Hi Hektor, thanks for that link to Jack Taylor in Australian news. The Germans spared Taylor's life and he then went around to testify at trials post-war and, as those articles mention, said outrageous lies about the camps, (I'd never even heard some of those allegations before) in order to get execution verdicts for those on trial.

AND he was a secret agent posing as a regular POW.

What if someone today testified in a major trial, and they were a CIA agent but no one knew that?

The Mauthausen allegation was "extermination of 1.500.000 prisoners"
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/arti ... %20Taylor#
And Jack Taylor got one shocking story after the other. It seems his talent was that he was a pathological liar. In any other context that kind of testimony would be thrown out of court. And it doesn't seem he isn't the only witness of that kind there. I don't even think that this type of testimony was about getting convictions that much. It sounds more like getting something for the news papers to write about.

I'm sure that people with intelligence connections also testify at trials nowadays. Without that being known. But at times it is actually stated in the records that he either is an agent or that he was a paid informer. I think a judge may consider it a reason for dismissal or appeal, if it isn't said and it turns out later. Lying in testimony, false confessions, etc. are a common problem in investigations. But most people that don't work as policemen do not know this.

The issue with embellished, fantastic testimony is that if one or two witnesses are making statements like this, it probably gets dismissed as lies. But if one lines up 20 witnesses that make similar statements this is likely to be a game changer. Especially when the witnesses are from acknowledged victim classes and the accused are part of a 'perpetrator' class. That's how it was with 'war crimes trials'.

When testimony is given about something that allegedly happened 20 years ago or longer, then it's virtually impossible to prove them wrong. Especially when the allegations are carbon copies of other testimony or trials.

With politically charged trials probability becomes higher that there will be witness coaching and also influence on the jury, etc. Postwar NS-trials were politically charged and that highly, since several organizations and interest groups tried to score political points with it. For Austria each of the occupation powers had interest, but so did the previously banned political organizations like socialists, communists and various others. Jewish organizations seem to have been more reluctant at first. But Simon Wiesenthal has become famous and made a career as serial survivor and Nazi Hunter. I say serial survivor, but what else should one call someone that survived so many alleged 'death camps':

He survived the Janowska concentration camp (late 1941 to September 1944), the Kraków-Płaszów concentration camp (September to October 1944), the Gross-Rosen concentration camp, a death march to Chemnitz, Buchenwald, and the Mauthausen concentration camp (February to 5 May 1945).

[hermod]

The Mauthausen allegation was "extermination of 1.500.000 prisoners"
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/arti ... %20Taylor#

"Only" 94% a lie...

https://postimg.cc/nsnBYn3R

P.S. It seems that the Mauthausen gas chamber had already vanished from Taylor's testimony in 1946.

[Hektor]

The Mauthausen allegation was "extermination of 1.500.000 prisoners"
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/arti ... %20Taylor#

"Only" 94% a lie...

https://postimg.cc/nsnBYn3R

P.S. It seems that the Mauthausen gas chamber had already vanished from Taylor's testimony in 1946.

Seems the Museum sticks to the gas chamber:

Even while that isn't exactly a credible gas chamber, at all. I wonder, if that wasn't just a freezer room, per haps cold storage of corpses even. But not a gas chamber. Simply check the radiator on the upper side of the wall. What is that object, what is it used for? There are other issues with that room. And I'm not sure, if they even ever tried to prove usage of poison gas or HCN in it.

But the elephant in the room are the 1.500.000 exterminated in Mauthausen.
That figure is preposterous on its face and they didn't even question in during the (show?) trial.

[hermod]

Seems the Museum sticks to the gas chamber:

Even while that isn't exactly a credible gas chamber, at all. I wonder, if that wasn't just a freezer room, per haps cold storage of corpses even. But not a gas chamber. Simply check the radiator on the upper side of the wall. What is that object, what is it used for? There are other issues with that room. And I'm not sure, if they even ever tried to prove usage of poison gas or HCN in it.

It was proven by testimonies, they say.

Concerning Doubts about the Existence of a Gas Chamber at the Mauthausen Concentration Camp

01.11.2016

Present times are characterised by polarisation and escalation of societal debates. The systematic border transgressions by some players are aimed at achieving a division of society. Such discourse does not even stop at distorting historical facts. Recently, a lawyer in Wels, Upper Austria, defended a client accused of National Socialist activities by openly raising doubts about the existence of a gas chamber at the Mauthausen Concentration Camp.

In the name of the victims and of their remembrance, the staff members of the Mauthausen Memorial consider it their duty to very clearly rebut such statement, even if such rebuttal, in view of the current status of historical research, would seem like a setback into dark ages. The use of a gas chamber at Mauthausen is a historical fact, substantiated by a plethora of evidence. Among such evidence are even testimonies given by persons responsible for operating the gas chamber, such as former SS commander Martin Roth. All this can be seen and read in the historical exhibitions at the Memorial, as well as in numerous publications, among them the pioneering work of Mauthausen survivor Pierre-Serge Choumoff.

The doubts about the existence of a gas chamber at Mauthausen have their origin in assertions made by Holocaust deniers and revisionists of history, and should no longer have any place in serious public debates. It is the task of society as a whole to counter such borders transgressions, before they can permeate into social mainstream.

Photo: The US Army lieutenant and former concentration camp prisoner Jack Taylor with a gas charging device for the gas chamber and Zyklon B cans shortly after the liberation in May 1945 (US National Archives and Records Administration)

https://www.mauthausen-memorial.org/en/ ... ation-Camp

Good to mention the fact that that "plethora of evidence" failed to convince the top antirevisionist Holocaust historian Yehuda Bauer.

Zyklon B, carbon monoxide or suffocation, who cares? Atrocity propaganda über alles after all.

Mauthausen Gas Chamber

The SS would cram 120 persons into this chamber, seal the doors and pump in carbon monoxide.

Inefficient as it was, the prisoners often died of suffocation rather than the gas.

https://remember.org/camps/mauthausen/mau-gas01

I wonder, if that wasn't just a freezer room, per haps cold storage of corpses even.

Or perhaps it was a real shower room. A water drain on the floor, shower heads, water pipes, why not? Building shower rooms near crematory ovens made sense for the generation and supply of hot water after all.

[Hektor]

They are funny:

The doubts about the existence of a gas chamber at Mauthausen have their origin in assertions made by Holocaust deniers and revisionists of history, and should no longer have any place in serious public debates. It is the task of society as a whole to counter such borders transgressions, before they can permeate into social mainstream.
Image
Photo: The US Army lieutenant and former concentration camp prisoner Jack Taylor with a gas charging device for the gas chamber and Zyklon B cans shortly after the liberation in May 1945 (US National Archives and Records Administration)

And cite Jack Taylor... Now that could be a problem, too good your audience has got no idea who that actually is.

First of all. The doubt is due to YOUR ASSERTION. You made it, so people should also doubt it as with any assertion being made.
"It should have no place in serious public debates" - Why? Is the problem that the evidence for the assertion isn't exactly convincing to rational people?

Them being concerned it may reach the mainstream is also telling. So they actually admit indirectly that them pressing atrocity stories on the public is rather an agenda of them. So it's not about historical research and presenting the best thesis to tourists, visitors and students. But there is a mold they try to establish into people's minds.

They also cite SS-testimony. Martin Roth. Now how did that testimony come into being?

The thing is, dear museum, you have been paid vast amounts of money to do research. You really should be so confident in what you are telling the public that you could easily deal with "Holocaust Denial" or in this case doubts whether that thing in one of your building was really a homicidal gas chamber. But you chose not do and actually sound like you are hiding something there behind dismissive phrases in the line of "Whoever doesn't agree with us has ulterior motives and can't be serious". It's of course a logical fallacy to argue like this. You should have forensic and technical reports that prove beyond reasonable doubt that this was a homicidal gas chamber. But it seems you don't have or why did you decide to play games of suspicion?

[hermod]

Don't blame them for their evasion. How could they possibly defend their hot-brick gas chamber in a debate?

Gas chamber
Austria / Oberosterreich

The gas chamber in Mauthausen was in the basement of the camp prison near the crematorium and execution room. Construction started in autumn 1941 and the first gassings took place in March 1942.

According to Hagen Regional Court, at least 3,455 people were gassed with Zyklon B in the Mauthausen gas chamber between March 1942 and the liberation of the camp.

As late as 28 April 1945, some 33 Austrian, five Polish, four Croatian and one Austrian inmate with British nationality were gassed. On the next day the SS dismantled the gas chamber installation.

The tiled gas chamber, disguised to look like a shower (3.87 ? 3.57 metres) had two hermetically sealed doors with peepholes. On the ceiling was a working shower system with 16 nozzles. There was also a radiator, lighting, electric ventilation (in the ceiling) and a length of pipe with a 0.5-cm-wide and 80-cm-long slit, invisible to the victims, on the wall side. The pipe was connected to the gas conduit in a room next to the gas chamber.

The lidded sheet metal gas conduit was attached to the wall on the other side of the gas chamber. Before the gassing a brick was heated in one of the crematorium ovens. Then the cans of Zyklon B were ordered from the pharmacy and brought to the leader of the gassing squad in the room next to the gas chamber, either by the pharmacist Erich Wasicky or the kapo of the pharmacy commando.

The hot brick was placed on the floor of the gas conduit and an SS man wearing a gas mask poured the Zyklon B onto it. Then the lid was placed on the canister and fastened with two butterfly nuts. The rising heat from the brick caused the gas to be rapidly released.

Zyklon B was supplied to Mauthausen, among others, by Degesch (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Schädlingsbekämpfung, Frankfurt), Heerdt-Lingler (Frankfurt) and Aktiengesellschaft für Verarbeitung von Kalilaugen (Kolin).

The gassings were commanded by the head of the crematorium, SS-Hauptscharführer Martin Roth. Dr Eduard Krebsbach and the pharmacist Erich Wasicky are also said to have operated the gas conduit.

After the victims had been led to the “shower” and the door closed behind them, the gas conduit was opened. After 15 or 20 minutes, the head of the unit, usually SS-Hauptscharführer Martin Roth, looked through the peephole to check that all the inmates were dead. Then the fan was switched on and the gas extracted from the gas chamber through a chimney.

http://wikimapia.org/21779587/Gas-chamber

[Hieldner]

Excellent work, I’m very glad you’re back making videos. There are a few points I’d like to mention

• The history of the CIA and its predecessor organizations could have been elaborated on in more detail. How British agents were instrumental in their establishment, how they were run by the British for all practical purposes at that time, how communists were included from the beginning, the ties to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency and other Jewish media, and how deceptively manipulating people with war propaganda was the reason for their establishment in the first place. See William Stephenson, British Security Coordination, 1999, https://ihr.org/other/RooseveltBritishCollusion, ...
  

  One easily forgets this, in the era of our much-vaunted, so-called "special relationship", but at the nadir of Britain's fortunes, polls in the US still showed that 80% of Americans were against joining the war in Europe. Anglophobia was widespread and the US Congress was violently opposed to any form of intervention.

  https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/aug/19/military.secondworldwar
  

  Back in the United States, Abraham Lincoln Brigade veterans were alternately labeled communists and utilized for their expertise. Before the United States entered World War II, William “Wild Bill” Donovan, who founded the Office of Strategic Services, predecessor of the CIA, enlisted Wolff’s services. At Donovan’s urging, Wolff helped recruit for the British Special Services.
  
  Abraham Lincoln Brigade veterans, with their language skills and entree to anti-fascist groups in Europe, were well suited for intelligence work. After the United States entered the war, Wolff also recruited Lincoln veterans for the OSS.
  
  But when Wolff enlisted in the Army in 1942, his advancement at officer’s training school was blocked, he said, and he was labeled a “premature anti-fascist.” He was given noncombat roles but eventually served in Burma and with the OSS in Europe.

  https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-jan-23-me-wolff23-story.html
  
• Jack H. Taylor is quite a character. Furtherglory has written about him multiple times, e.g. https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/the-most-egregious-lies-about-the-holocaust-were-told-by-lt-jack-taylor/. He was a prisoner at Mauthausen for a full 35 days. As he told his horrible fable in front of the camera, he just couldn’t help smirking. I just noticed that the people standing around him are all clothed in business suites and look quite healthy and cheerful, while he tries to mime a battered, suffering prisoner in worn out clothes. Also, is that a military uniform that he says was taken from him under his prisoner’s uniform?
  

  

  In Joshua M. Greene’s Justice at Dachau, 2003, it is mentioned on p. 132 that he was interviewed within hours of the US troops’ arrival. Maybe smirking is his way of emotionally dealing with the pain the Nazis inflicted with prisoner activities such as these
  

  

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauthausen

  In Justice at Dachau it is also mentioned how all the camp documentation was burned, except some of the death books, which the clerk of the camp’s head physician Ernst Martin handed over to Taylor:
  

  Denson took a large bound volume and approached the witness. “Mr. [Ernst] Martin, I hand you prosecution’s exhibit fourteen and ask you to state what it is.”
  
  “This is the death book that was kept by me in 1942 and 1943. Around April 20, 1945, an order was issued to burn all papers concerning the prisoners and the SS, among them also these death books. The papers concerned approximately seventy-two thousand deaths and burned without interruption for eight days. Because it was such a long procedure, I was able to hide these death books. After the liberation by American troops, I turned them over to Lieutenant Taylor.” (pp. 146–7)

• The original gas chamber door at Mauthausen was actually made out of wood and presented in Taylor’s Mauthausen report. There is no comment or documentation about the steel door that’s in place there today. Herbert Pitlik wrote about this in his booklet Mauthausen History (https://archive.org/details/Pitlik-Herbert-Mauthausen-History).
  

  Soweit der Artikel. Dazu der Text aus dem (englischen) Faximile (S. 331-333) (...) twice daily at 9 AM and 5 PM, 120 victims at each time. Once 220 were packed in and the SS fought each other to look through the small plat glass window in the door and watch them struggle in their agony. (See photo):
  

  

  They were thrilled with this mass spectacle. Frau ZIEREIS, the Commandant’s wife, came once to see the sight.

  He quotes from Florian Freund, Bertrand Perz, Karl Stuhlpfarrer, Der Bericht des US-Geheimagenten Jack H. Taylor über das Konzentrationslager Mauthausen, in: Zeitgeschichte 9-10/22. Jahrgang / 1995 (S. 318-320), where a facsimile of Taylors report, created from different copies of the original report, is presented.
  
  This is probably the reason why all pictures were withheld from the online version of the report:
  

  Taylor wrote a lengthy report on Mauthausen where he was held for a few months, but I don't believe it was publicly disseminated at the time. The text of it is available here: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/th ... 4-may-1945

  
  
• One of the most lurid Holocaust stories is the Mauthausen Parachutist Wall (Fallschirmspringerwand) mentioned by Taylor. William Denson, US chief prosecutor at the Dachau trials, mentions how mostly Jewish people were catapulted from trees down the Mauthausen stone quarry
  
  https://archive.org/details/william-denson-mauthausen-cliff-catapult
  
  There is actually a monument at this place for all the people allegedly thrown down there
  

  

  

  PARACHUTIST WALL
  
  Many hundreds of prisoners were thrown down this steep wall in the quarry. They crashed at the foot of the wall or drowned in the deep ponds of water. Often prisoners who could no longer stand the torture also threw themselves down this wall. With cruel jest the SS called these doomed men "parachutists". The first group of Dutch Jews to arrive at Mauthausen in the summer of 1942 was hurled down this wall by the SS.
  

  Not quite more than 10,000 Jewish school children as Eva Schloss says https://archive.org/details/eva-schloss-jewish-school-children-abducted-with-trucks-and-thrown-down-cliffs
  
  There is another variant of the story where the parachutists are the prisoners carrying stones up the “steps of death” in Justice at Dachau, pp. 132–3:
  

  Prisoners were divided into two groups: one that hacked into the granite walls and a second that carried the slabs up 186 Todesstiege—steps of death—to the top. One torture required prisoners to run up the steps shouldering stones weighing as much as two hundred pounds. The SS called those who fell, were pushed, or leaped into the pit Fallschirmjäger: parachute troops. In one instance, the SS ordered an Italian Jew known for his beautiful voice to stand atop a rock mound and sing Ave Maria. Charges were laid around the rock. In midsong an SS officer pressed the plunger, blasting the prisoner into the sky. Among the more notorious German guards in the quarry was one nicknamed “das blonde Fräulein,” who hacked to death a contingent of eighty-seven Dutch Jews while they dug into the quarry’s granite walls.

• Taylor taught the prisoners band the US national anthem the night before he was scheduled to be executed but was miraculously saved instead. Quoting from Justice at Dachau:
  

  “Commander Taylor,” Denson said, “will you relate to the court how you escaped being killed?” “The day before we were scheduled to be executed,” Taylor replied, “the camp was liberated.” (p. 142)
  
  [Staff Sergeant Albert J. Kosiek:] “Some of the refugees were setting up a band down in the court yard. The first representative to speak was Polish. When he finished, he asked for three cheers for the Americans and the response was thunderous. Each representative went through this procedure. Then the band played “The Star Spangled Banner,” and my emotions were so great that the song me ant more to me than it ever did before. Many of the refugees were crying as they watched our platoon standing at attention presenting arms. When we dropped our salute, we found out that Captain Taylor had taught the band our national anthem just the night before.”
  
  Denson knew the story. If fortunes had reversed them, would he have been like Taylor, able to withstand Nazi torture and teach fellow prisoners to play “The Star Spangled Banner”? He gave Taylor a slight nod of thanks. “No further questions.” (p. 143)

• George C. Stevens is also known for directing The Diary of Anne Frank. So, an agent of the OSS and presumably of the later CIA directed the film adaptation of this heart-wrenching story.
  
• Major William F. Walsh, Assistant Trial Counsel for the US, who presented many pieces of evidence for the persecution of Jews at the Nuremberg trial, is also listed as an OSS agent in the personnell name database mentioned in the video.