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Re: Russia declassifies 1944 Auschwitz report by POW Pavel Gavrish (from RT)

Postby hermod » 4 months 6 days ago (Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:20 am)

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cold beer wrote:I probably should have referred to the Christian Century as a periodical, which is what it seems to be.


It was the major Protestant periodical at the time. I think it’s still published, actually. They were initially fairly skeptical of what today we would call “Holocaust stories” but they came around in April/May 1945.

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That's true. Like everyone else, including top Nazi leaders such as Goering, they became Holocaust believers after seeing very impressive pics of the big health disaster caused in the last German concentration camps by the Allied bombing policy.


"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Russia declassifies 1944 Auschwitz report by POW Pavel Gavrish (from RT)

Postby Fred zz » 4 months 6 days ago (Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:32 am)

Here is the current sign at Majdanek Crematoria in regard to human fertilizer.
Thanks for the Lublin/Majdanek related news articles, some more to my collection
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Postby hannef » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:07 am)

Russia has ~15 tomes of internee records from Auschwitz, sealed since shortly after liberation. Wonder what's in them.

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Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:53 am)

hermod wrote:
Archie wrote:
cold beer wrote:I probably should have referred to the Christian Century as a periodical, which is what it seems to be.


It was the major Protestant periodical at the time. I think it’s still published, actually. They were initially fairly skeptical of what today we would call “Holocaust stories” but they came around in April/May 1945.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13463
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13469


That's true. Like everyone else, including top Nazi leaders such as Goering, they became Holocaust believers after seeing very impressive pics of the big health disaster caused in the last German concentration camps by the Allied bombing policy.

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It seems to have worked on most of the accused at the IMT. Well, there was no way to prove the opposite. And Himmler wasn't there. So Himmler must have done so secretly that nobody was noticing this. Also bear in mind. Your country is in shambles. It's totally occupied by your enemies. You are accused and they probably have an execution for you in mind. Many of the accused didn't even know about the fate of their families... So they were for sure in a mood were they also were susceptible. What they actually believed is another matter. And they probably couldn't imagine how devastating the effects of bombing and disruption were. How sykewar worked they couldn't know neither.

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cold beer wrote:The article from the Christian Century is a great find. I don't think I've seen another newspaper article from the era that so blatantly casts doubt on a Holocaust atrocity story.
Thanks for posting both those articles


You're welcome, cold beer. The Christian Century casted doubt on Holohoax atrocity propaganda from day one, that is, as soon as the Zionists launched their campaign of atrocity propaganda for the postwar seizure of Palestine (i.e. on November 24, 1942). And The Christian Century did that because of the big similarities with WW1 atrocity stories (rehashed propaganda lies), especially with the notorious corpse-factory story. Rabbi Stephen Wise, the cofounder of American Zionism and kickstarter of the the Holohoax, even bitterly complained about that.


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Again, always asked "how did they know that". Since they simply couldn't and they can't demonstrate any investigation they have done neither. So it's rumors, rumors and creative story telling (for destructive purposes).

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Postby Whodunnit? » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:29 am)

Retarded American internet-Nazi-LARPers like the idiots from TRS: "Putin is fighting ZOG, jews in panic mode. Some Rabbi said it's anuddah shoah"

Meanwhile in reality:

Russia releases new Horror Klaus-fan fiction

Auschwitz is part of the "Great Patriotic War"-narrative, which is basically the core of the current, late-Stalin-Regime-created Russian national identity. Putin is as kosher as Gefilte Fish

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Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:29 am)

Whodunnit? wrote:Retarded American internet-Nazi-LARPers like the idiots from TRS: "Putin is fighting ZOG, jews in panic mode. Some Rabbi said it's anuddah shoah"

Meanwhile in reality:

Russia releases new Horror Klaus-fan fiction

Auschwitz is part of the "Great Patriotic War"-narrative, which is basically the core of the current, late-Stalin-Regime-created Russian national identity. Putin is as kosher as Gefilte Fish


Both sides fight 'another Hitler' and against 'the Nazis on the other side'. For the Woke Putin is an 'authoritarian' who 'hates gays' and 'oppresses women and minorities'. And for Putin it's the 'Nazis in the Ukraine'. They simply can't do without Hitler. Indeed Hitler (2.0.) has replaced Jesus and Satan at the same time.

He replaced Jesus as scape-goat and figure that all can hate (Romans and Jews alike). But also as the one that can be invoked to justify anything. And Satan as the embodiment of absolute evil. There can also be no doubt about his existence. Something that can be done with figures that lived far before the present or immaterial beings that can not be demonstrated to exist using technology.

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Postby hermod » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:02 am)

Hektor wrote:And Himmler wasn't there. So Himmler must have done so secretly that nobody was noticing this.


And most of the 89 initiated weren't there (dead or on the run) either, the Holohoax conspiracy theorists concede... :roll:





Hektor wrote:Again, always asked "how did they know that". Since they simply couldn't and they can't demonstrate any investigation they have done neither. So it's rumors, rumors and creative story telling (for destructive purposes).


According to the orthodox narrative, the Zionist rabbi Stephen S. Wise had received some telegrams from a Zionist colleague in Switzerland (Gerhart Riegner) reporting "information" provided by a secret German informant whose identity was revealed several decades after the end of WWII (Eduard Schulte (see Laqueur in the 1980s)).



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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Russia declassifies 1944 Auschwitz report by POW Pavel Gavrish (from RT)

Postby Whodunnit? » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:38 am)

Hektor wrote:
Whodunnit? wrote:Retarded American internet-Nazi-LARPers like the idiots from TRS: "Putin is fighting ZOG, jews in panic mode. Some Rabbi said it's anuddah shoah"

Meanwhile in reality:

Russia releases new Horror Klaus-fan fiction

Auschwitz is part of the "Great Patriotic War"-narrative, which is basically the core of the current, late-Stalin-Regime-created Russian national identity. Putin is as kosher as Gefilte Fish


Both sides fight 'another Hitler' and against 'the Nazis on the other side'. For the Woke Putin is an 'authoritarian' who 'hates gays' and 'oppresses women and minorities'. And for Putin it's the 'Nazis in the Ukraine'. They simply can't do without Hitler. Indeed Hitler (2.0.) has replaced Jesus and Satan at the same time.

He replaced Jesus as scape-goat and figure that all can hate (Romans and Jews alike). But also as the one that can be invoked to justify anything. And Satan as the embodiment of absolute evil. There can also be no doubt about his existence. Something that can be done with figures that lived far before the present or immaterial beings that can not be demonstrated to exist using technology.


Yes, Godwin's law has permeated into every corner of society.
You'd think that at some point the people would push back just out of weariness. But it's not happening. Instead it's getting more and more hysterical. I think equating all evils with "Nazis" gives every idiot the impression that he's competent to talk smart about the big political and social topics.

But I also wanted to mention the ridiculousness of places like TRS. I guess the people here know about them, because they had Germar Rudolf and Fred Leuchter on their show.
It doesn't matter how "anti-woke" Putin allegedly is. He is literally the biggest gatekeeper of the Holocaust narrative. I am talking about the gates of the Russian/ex-soviet archives.

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Re: Russia declassifies 1944 Auschwitz report by POW Pavel Gavrish (from RT)

Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:41 am)

hermod wrote:....According to the orthodox narrative, the Zionist rabbi Stephen S. Wise had received some telegrams from a Zionist colleague in Switzerland (Gerhart Riegner) reporting "information" provided by a secret German informant whose identity was revealed several decades after the end of WWII (Eduard Schulte (see Laqueur in the 1980s)).



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They got of course a rescue device there as well:
Reams served as the specialist on Jewish issues for the State Department's Division of European Affairs during World War II. In the role he downplayed reports of Nazi exterminations of Jews in Europe, casting doubts on diplomatic cables that sought to notify the United Nations and raise alarm. Reams concluded the reports of mass deportation and murder were accurate, but wrote in 1942 that if the State Department corroborated such information, it would have exposed governments to "increased pressure... to do something."[5]

Reams similarly resisted efforts in 1943 to potentially rescue Jews in Europe facing deportation and extermination. Reams wrote there was a "danger" that the German Government might agree to release Jewish refugees to the U.S., and that to care for such refugees would be an "onus" on the United Nations.[5] Between 1942 and 1944, Reams and his colleagues in the State Department resisted all efforts to save European Jews. Randolph Paul of the Treasury Department described Reams and his colleagues as an "underground movement... to let the Jews be killed."[5]


Essentially all they had is rumors and also people that had interest in those rumors. And Reams realized that there were negative consequences to affirming those rumors publicly. Guess he also had a sense of when something is a lie. If it is "to good to be true" for example.


Fact of the matter is. That what was/is alleged could not be kept secret. It however was a secret/unknown to most people that should have know. Hence one has to conclude that it simply did not happen and that was the reason for this being unknown.

But that's too much logic for those that enjoy basing their opinions on 'feels'.


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