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'death marches' debunked / Allies confirmed no murders

Postby Hannover » 9 years 10 months ago (Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:50 pm)

We've heard it endlessly in the Zionist propaganda that the Germans force-marched Jews from the so called 'death camps' in what is referred to inaccurately as 'death marches'.

There are admissions by Jews that they and all labor camp inmates were given a choice by the Germans to go with the Germans in retreat from Auschwitz or wait for the advancing communist Soviets. Most by far chose to leave with the Germans.* Which in itself is damning to the 'holocaust' story line.

* see:
The so-called “Death March” from Auschwitz
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6293

More text & documents below, we have examples where U.S. officials actually requested the Germans to evacuate Jews and others, the Germans complied, and we see Allied confirmation of the fact that the Germans were not 'exterminating' Jews at Auschwitz.

The contrived 'forced death marches' allegation once again falls flat on it's Zionist propaganda face.

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Allies assured themselves that Germany was not murdering inmates

Germans publicly denied murdering inmates and the Allies confirmed that they safely evacuated them ahead of the Russians, per requests by the U. S. State Department.

After careful study the Allies confirmed the Germans were not murdering the inmates, and so bombing of Birkenau and other camps was never ordered.
source: http://codoh.com/library/document/898
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Death marches?
U.S. requested that Germany evacuate Auschwitz Jews back to the Reich
By John Clive Ball
Published:
1998-01-01
Mass-murder denials:

On at least one occasion, Germany publicly denied any intention to murder concentration camp inmates. An October 12 1944 letter talks of Germany's "press denial" of rumored intentions to murder Birkenau inmates. This letter has never been released to the public by the U.S. government.

It is almost certain that in 1943, and in particular after the U.S. War Refugee Board started work in January 1944, there was a continual exchange of top-level telegrams between the U.S. and Germany through Swiss and Irish consulates discussing mass-murder rumors and the safety of camp inmates.
Evacuation Guarantee:

Germany also guaranteed to the Allies that inmates of the Auschwitz area camps would be evacuated before the Soviet Army advance.

As discussed in the January 20 telegram from the US Consul in Switzerland, two Jewish women who had been Birkenau inmates from July to October 1944 described the following evacuations to German camps:

September 1944 - "sizeable convoys" left Birkenau, each with "3,000 to 6,000" inmates,
Late September 1944 - 3,500 Hungarian and Slovak women inmates left in one convoy, and
October 31 1944 - 500 women inmates left Birkenau for Germany with the two eye-witnesses.

The letters also show the U.S. accepted confirmation from spies and previous inmates about what was actually occurring in the camps. The last sentence of what the two women reported states:

"The natural mortality rate in all such work camps is high, due mainly to under-nourishment, unhygenic conditions, and especially to exposure from lack of sufficient clothing."
Bombing Decisions:

These newly released letters indicate that the U.S. attempted to verify mass-murder rumors in a number of ways, including communicating with the German government. Their decision not to bomb Birkenau was made because they could not confirm any of the extermination rumors.

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INCOMING TELEGRAM - DEPARTMENT OF STATE
From: HUDDLE, Bern, Switzerland
Dated: January 20, 1945, 3 p.m.
For: WRB from McCLELLAND.
Rec'd: January 20, 11 p.m.

As reported in Legation's 6818 October 12 Germans issued press denial of any intention to exterminate inmates of Tuwiecim and Birkenau following contrary report brought out by Polish circles in London that time.

I have never been able to receive reliable confirmation of reports circulated that orders have gone out to SS controlling Jewish camps to kill all internees who cannot be evacuated in front of Allied advance.

(8 more paragraphs talk about Birkenau September and October, 1944 evacuations)


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From: STETTINIUS acting for Department of State and War Refugee Board, Washington, D.C.
Dated: January 22, 1945, 10 p.m.
For: HUDDLE and McCLELLAND, Bern, Switzerland
Rec'd: January 22

Reference Department's 192 of January 13, Irish Department of External Affairs, confirms that it inquired of German authorities concerning the rumor that Germans intended to liquidate the inmates at camps Oswiecim,Hoss, and Birkenau, and that the Germans replied that the rumor that it is their intention to exterminate the Jews in these camps is pure invention devoid of all foundation and that if the camps were to be abandoned their inmates would be evacuated.

Please request Swiss Political Department to inform German Government that the above reply of German authorities to Ireland has been noted by theGovernment of the United States, and that this Government accordingly expects that Jewish and other survivors of these and other concentration, detention, and labor camps in Germany and German-controlled territory will be kept alive by German authorities.

In view of the nearness of Oswiecim and Birkenau to the front, it is urgent that the above communication reach German authorities with the greatest possible speed.

STETTINIUS

WRB: 1/22/45

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Allies assured themselves that Germany was not murdering inmates

Germans publicly denied murdering inmates and the Allies confirmed that they safely evacuated them ahead of the Russians, per requests by the U. S. State Department.

After careful study the Allies confirmed the Germans were not murdering the inmates, and so bombing of Birkenau and other camps was never ordered.

Reference: Letters on file at Franklin D. Roosevelt Library, Hyde Park, New York, N.Y., U.S.A.
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Re: 'death marches' debunked / Allies confirmed no murders

Postby Thames Darwin » 9 years 10 months ago (Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:12 pm)

Did you ever notice that all of those "survivors" are the same Jews taken on "death marches?" Wiesel for one. Wiesenthal too I think.

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Re: 'death marches' debunked / Allies confirmed no murders

Postby hermod » 9 years 10 months ago (Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:02 am)

How cynical the Allies were when they requested the evacuation of the Eastern camps while they were still mass bombing Germany and so condemned many evacuated prisoners to die from starvation and diseases. They knew what their "mass bombing+overcrowded camps" policy would cause. They knew how fast big weight loss would occur. The U.S. had conducted "The Minnesota starvation experiment" in mid-1944 (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t783184/#post9346819). That's probably why the U.S. Psychological Warfare Division immediately arrived with its cameras when the first Western camps were liberated. America and Britain created the proper conditions for their horror show themselves and they then exploited the result as much as possible...
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Re: 'death marches' debunked / Allies confirmed no murders

Postby Callahan » 3 years 4 months ago (Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:08 pm)

hermod wrote:How cynical the Allies were when they requested the evacuation of the Eastern camps while they were still mass bombing Germany and so condemned many evacuated prisoners to die from starvation and diseases. They knew what their "mass bombing+overcrowded camps" policy would cause. They knew how fast big weight loss would occur. The U.S. had conducted "The Minnesota starvation experiment" in mid-1944 (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t783184/#post9346819). That's probably why the U.S. Psychological Warfare Division immediately arrived with its cameras when the first Western camps were liberated. America and Britain created the proper conditions for their horror show themselves and they then exploited the result as much as possible...

hermod, I just wanted to say this ^ is an excellent point... It makes one really wonder if starvation of German prisoners was planned in-advance for propaganda effect all along. This is my first time hearing this theory but suggests an even higher degree of coordination between Allied governments and the [Jewish] propaganda industry.

On the topic of "death marches" (since I 'bumped' it, anyway), I wanted to take a moment also to ask about two other alleged "death marches"; one in 1939 Lublin and the other in 1942 Reichskommissariat Ukraine, reported here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_mar ... locaust%29

What do we know about these?

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Re: 'death marches' debunked / Allies confirmed no murders

Postby Lamprecht » 3 years 4 months ago (Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:20 pm)

Callahan wrote:On the topic of "death marches" (since I 'bumped' it, anyway), I wanted to take a moment also to ask about two other alleged "death marches"; one in 1939 Lublin and the other in 1942 Reichskommissariat Ukraine, reported here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_mar ... locaust%29

What do we know about these?

I once looked for information on the "Death marches" but there is practically nothing. Information is very scarce and essentially entirely eyewitness testimony. At the very least, the hardships and brutality are exaggerated. In many cases we must remember some of the prisoners were violent criminals or POW soldiers. Also, the prisoners usually had no idea where or why they were marching and their experiences varied widely. The cited source on Wikipedia for the Lublin march is a broken link.

What we do know is that these "Death marches" were not some last-ditch attempt to kill off the remaining Jews they didn't get around to killing, as is often insisted. This sort of thing happened in other wars as well, it was predictable. From World War I:
"One of the worst captivity death rates of the war occurred on the Mesopotamian front among British troops captured by the Ottomans at Kut-al-Amara in modern-day Iraq, which fell to Ottoman forces in April 1916 after a long siege. Here, the Ottoman army captured approximately 2,962 white British officers and other ranks, of whom 1,782 would go on to die in Ottoman captivity.29 Alongside these men, the Ottoman army also captured an unknown number of Indian prisoners who, along with their white comrades, experienced a horrific death march from Kut-al-Amara to the northern railhead at Ras-el-Ain via Baghdad. In total, in the whole of the Mesopotamian campaign, some 10,686 colonial soldiers from India, including 200 Indian army officers, were captured by the Ottoman army: of these, 1,708 were reported to have died in captivity and another 1,324 were recorded as untraced at the end of the war, a very high death rate.30

The other most infamous death march of the conflict endured by prisoners of war occurred within Europe, when Austro-Hungarian prisoners of war held by the Serbian army were forced to retreat on foot with the Serbian army over the mountains into Albania and ultimately to the coast, from where the Serbian army was evacuated. The death rate on this march was extremely high. However, in contrast to the Kut-al-Amara march, where the Ottoman guards enjoyed reasonably good conditions while meting out terrible violence upon the captives, the Serbian army had no choice but to evacuate and its own men suffered high casualties on the march, alongside their prisoners due to the poor conditions."

- Jones, H. (n.d.). Prisoners of war. The Cambridge History of the First World War, 266–290. doi:10.1017/cho9780511675676.014
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
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NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: 'death marches' debunked / Allies confirmed no murders

Postby Zulu » 3 years 4 months ago (Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:05 pm)

Hannover wrote:We've heard it endlessly in the Zionist propaganda that the Germans force-marched Jews from the so called 'death camps' in what is referred to inaccurately as 'death marches'.

There are admissions by Jews that they and all labor camp inmates were given a choice by the Germans to go with the Germans in retreat from Auschwitz or wait for the advancing communist Soviets. Most by far chose to leave with the Germans.* Which in itself is damning to the 'holocaust' story line.

* see:
The so-called “Death March” from Auschwitz
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6293

I tried to access the site Air-Photo Evidence (http://www.air-photo.com/english/denial.html) and it appears that the all site is dead.
I tried to recover something form archive.org and it seems that the last captures were deleted with the advise This Account Has Been Suspended.
Fortunately, the 2005's one is still available.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050305050 ... enial.html
The page in pdf
Mass-murder denials.pdf
(655.94 KiB) Downloaded 89 times

The article is old but I've never heard of it. I would like to know whether the fac similes of documents mentioned here are accessible on line from a "legal" site with the corresponding references in US archives.

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Re: 'death marches' debunked / Allies confirmed no murders

Postby Lamprecht » 3 years 4 months ago (Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:38 pm)

I would just like to point out first that FPB quoted a great article in this thread on the so-called "Death marches" from Auschwitz: viewtopic.php?t=6293#p44863

Zulu wrote:I tried to access the site Air-Photo Evidence (http://www.air-photo.com/english/denial.html) and it appears that the all site is dead.
I tried to recover something form archive.org and it seems that the last captures were deleted with the advise This Account Has Been Suspended.
Fortunately, the 2005's one is still available.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050305050 ... enial.html
The page in pdf
Mass-murder denials.pdf
The article is old but I've never heard of it. I would like to know whether the fac similes of documents mentioned here are accessible on line from a "legal" site with the corresponding references in US archives.

It is available in book format on Holocaust Handbooks:

Air-Photo Evidence—World War Two Photos of Alleged Mass Murder Sites Analyzed
https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=27
PDF: https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/27-ape.pdf

As for those documents, I have found this link with slightly better quality images:

Concentration Camp Telegrams
https://archive.org/details/ConcentrationCampTelegrams

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NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: 'death marches' debunked / Allies confirmed no murders

Postby Lamprecht » 1 year 6 months ago (Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:04 pm)

From:
Anne Frank's step-sister and Holocaust survivor Eva Schloss claims photos of the Soviet liberation of Auschwitz are FAKE because soldiers hadn't brought cameras and were taken at other camps
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/arti ... -FAKE.html
Anne Frank's step-sister and Holocaust survivor Eva Schloss claims photos of the Soviet liberation of Auschwitz are FAKE because soldiers hadn't brought cameras and were taken at other camps

A Holocaust survivor has claimed that photos showing the liberation of Auschwitz aren't real, because none were taken at the Nazi-occupied concentration camp.

Anne Frank's step-sister Eva Schloss, 90, who was sent to the notorious camp in Nazi-occupied Poland at the age of 15, appeared on Good Morning Britain today to discuss the 75th anniversary of its liberation.

Eva was 23-years-old when her mother Fritzi married Otto Frank, making her the posthumous stepsister to Anne Frank, who had died eight years earlier in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp in 1945.

She spent eight months at Auschwitz before the camp was liberated, and avoided being taken on a death march by the Nazis who fled with prisoners to try to cover up their crimes, because she and her mother overslept and were left behind.
[...]
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
— Herbert Spencer


NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: 'death marches' debunked / Allies confirmed no murders

Postby hermod » 1 year 4 months ago (Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:40 pm)

Callahan wrote:
hermod wrote:How cynical the Allies were when they requested the evacuation of the Eastern camps while they were still mass bombing Germany and so condemned many evacuated prisoners to die from starvation and diseases. They knew what their "mass bombing+overcrowded camps" policy would cause. They knew how fast big weight loss would occur. The U.S. had conducted "The Minnesota starvation experiment" in mid-1944 (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t783184/#post9346819). That's probably why the U.S. Psychological Warfare Division immediately arrived with its cameras when the first Western camps were liberated. America and Britain created the proper conditions for their horror show themselves and they then exploited the result as much as possible...

hermod, I just wanted to say this ^ is an excellent point... It makes one really wonder if starvation of German prisoners was planned in-advance for propaganda effect all along. This is my first time hearing this theory but suggests an even higher degree of coordination between Allied governments and the [Jewish] propaganda industry.
























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is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: 'death marches' debunked / Allies confirmed no murders

Postby Hektor » 1 month 4 weeks ago (Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:56 am)

Thames Darwin wrote:Did you ever notice that all of those "survivors" are the same Jews taken on "death marches?" Wiesel for one. Wiesenthal too I think.

Plenty of them claim that. In the Spielberg. plenty of those folks interviewed talk about it.

If extermination is the goal, why move people from one place to the other? It makes sense, if you don't want those people to fall into enemy hands, though.


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