Did Hitler commit suicide in the Berlin bunker?

[Renewal]

Cyanide should not leave a bullet hole. Hitler was described by Himmler and many others as warmhearted and respectful towards Eva Braun. Shooting Eva would have been extremely gross and brutal, so suggesting that for the sake of an argument is out of line.

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[Hohenems]

I'm not suggesting it for the sake of argument. WHere did the report say the tested skull had a bullet hole in it? I'm welcome to being corrected.

By the way, this isn't about the Nazis and whether they were good guys or bad guys.

[Renewal]

By the way, this isn't about the Nazis and whether they were good guys or bad guys.

Yes, this is about two persons and the "history" Soviets have written about them.
I am against everything war, regardless of reasons behind it. There are no "good guys" in any war.

There is one skull fragment and a jawbone. And a whole lot of stories.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/se ... l-fragment

Another official story:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 89,3773276

And lately I have seen attempts to "correct" it, after "Hitler's" skull turned out to be a female's.

[Renewal]

Soviet propaganda painting, titled "The End"

[Spect3r]

Nice thread this one. Hitler's death (or not ) is something i was always very curious about.

As some of you pointed out already there are a thousand number of theories, that he run away to England, Spain, Argentine, South Pole, even to inside the Earth (apparently Hitler was a believer in the Hollow Earth theory ).

Truth is Stalin always said he believe Hitler had escaped and the American army did sketches of possible looks that Hitler might have adopted and delivered them to their troops, this suggesting that the Americans themselves believed the possibility of Hitler had managed to escape.

As they say "everything is possible", however i do believe Hitler and Eva Braun did commit suicide in the bunker and their body buried on "Holly Ground" by loyal SS who never revealed where they had buried it.

[catleugh]

Some ten or so years ago there was a photo of a man in his seventies. He looked remarkably similar to Hitler, with no facial hair but about the same height and build. Could not find it now, but it must be somewhere on the internet.

Meanwhile, some have suggested that this man kind of looks like him:

hitler.jpg

And one more book:
http://www.barilochenazi.com.ar/english/index.html

10 years ago, Hitler would have been 124 years old.

[Renewal]

10 years ago, Hitler would have been 124 years old.

But of course. It is 10 years since I saw that pic, not the date it was taken.

[Haldan]

Here's one comment I captured from YouTube:

Hitler escaped and funded by Jews.

There is an increasing amount of people who repeat this junk - and for what it's worth - most of them appear to be "Americans".

Regards,
-haldan

[Modern Viking]

]I have seen claims that make far more sense to me as to what happened in the bunker at the end of the war. What if Hitler and Goebbels were murdered by the very people they trusted? Or....what if they were betrayed to the Russians by the people they trusted the most?

There are compelling arguments on both sides here, and one thing I have learned from the get-go here is to never trust the stories passed through the Jewish media. More than likely, the Soviets came up with these stories about the suicides, and yet, with zero proof. But...when one looks at a photograph of Goebbels' burned up body, one can see that he not burned post-mortem. When someone is burned alive, their hands go up to keep the flames off of their face. Shown in this pic:

Goebbels' body as filmed by the Soviets

Why do we have to assume that Hitler and Goebbels committed suicide? Answer: We don't have to, but we choose to.

Hitler would not have taken the coward's way out. He would have fought till his last breath. I will also share a compelling Youtube video with everyone that made me think twice about the Bunker stories:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qRwKsplrg

It is interesting even if you don't agree with the points I have made here. And I don't know how to post links and pics and other things. I am still trying to figure it all out.

Viking

[hermod]

]I have seen claims that make far more sense to me as to what happened in the bunker at the end of the war. What if Hitler and Goebbels were murdered by the very people they trusted? Or....what if they were betrayed to the Russians by the people they trusted the most?

There are compelling arguments on both sides here, and one thing I have learned from the get-go here is to never trust the stories passed through the Jewish media. More than likely, the Soviets came up with these stories about the suicides, and yet, with zero proof. But...when one looks at a photograph of Goebbels' burned up body, one can see that he not burned post-mortem. When someone is burned alive, their hands go up to keep the flames off of their face. Shown in this pic:

Goebbels body.png

Couldn't Goebbels' arm go up while he was burning?

I see Goebbels' own charred corpse destroyed the burning pit holo-lie. His last antisemitic action?

Why do we have to assume that Hitler and Goebbels committed suicide? Answer: We don't have to, but we choose to.

Hitler would not have taken the coward's way out. He would have fought till his last breath.

Hitler fought till his last breath. I see no cowardice in Hitler's suicide. I don't see how Hitler being captured by the Soviets would have changed Germany's lot and helped the German people.

[Breker]

Hitler fought till his last breath. I see no cowardice in Hitler's suicide. I don't see how Hitler being captured by the Soviets would have changed Germany's lot and helped the German people.

I agree. How is Hitler's suicide "the cowards way out"? He displayed strength in committing suicide considering that he & others could have easily been flown out of Berlin & submarined to South America, which is a common narrative. We can only imagine what would have happened had the Soviets captured him. He certainly would not have been permitted to stand trial in a publicly observed setting; much like Himmler who was murdered to prevent his testimony at Nuremberg. The 'history' being constructed would have been torpedoed by testimonies from Hitler, Himmler, or Goebbels.
B.

[Modern Viking]

So you guys won't even consider that Hitler and Goebbels were betrayed? To understand this theory you have to realize that Hitler's Last Will is complete nonsense and it was set up for the whole "suicide" story.

I have always respected this site but the very fact that some of you won't even consider this shocks me:

Watch this video by Jim How and just, at least, listen to his ideas and consider them with the way we know how International Jewry worked. They did the same thing to Gaddafi.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzPQ4gKO1mY

And JIm How has an excellent point. Where is the original copy of his Last Will written in German??? That should have been recovered by the Soviets. But yet it was not. The Jews tell 20 different stories and only one is right.

[Breker]

I have always respected this site but the very fact that some of you won't even consider this shocks me:

Watch this video by Jim How and just, at least, listen to his ideas and consider them with the way we know how International Jewry worked. They did the same thing to Gaddafi.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzPQ4gKO1mY

And JIm How has an excellent point. Where is the original copy of his Last Will written in German??? That should have been recovered by the Soviets. But yet it was not. The Jews tell 20 different stories and only one is right.

Mr. Viking,
Please do not get carried away. Mr. Hermod and myself are but two men who post at this site, we do not represent the entire forum. I will watch your posted video. I agree, we should always be willing to entertain other opinions, as should yourself. Thank you.
B.

[Haldan]

This will be the last time I watch anything from Mr. How. Probably. I like his way, but he's wrong on so much that it almost appears as if he's out to "create" false stories for people to buy into.

He speaks of 'Hitler's Last Will' when in reality he wants the 'Political Testament':

Hitler politiches Testament.

Mein politiches Testament

Here's a quote from a blog entry at NARA about his political testament:

The British also had their concerns about the Hitler documents. The British Embassy in Washington on January 9, 1946, prepared an aide memorie (later sent by First Secretary Donald Maclean) for the State Department stating that while the complete texts of Hitler’s political and personal testaments had been published in the press, the Principal Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, Ernest Bevin, felt that the less public notice the documents received in Germany or elsewhere the better, and that the British Government intended to avoid any mention of the documents whatever in its propaganda to Germany or Austria. The Embassy then raised the question of the disposal of the original documents, two sets of which were in British hands and one set in American hands, stating that:

“It is possible that these might in time become objects of great sentimental and political value to many Germanys. Mr. Bevin is considering whether it would not be wise to destroy these sets. This could be done at any time but meanwhile he intends that the British sets should be removed from Germany and safely interred in the British official archives…Mr. Bevin hopes that the State Department will take similar steps and will also agree that the number of microfilm copies should be very strictly limited as well. Even facsimiles might become objects of veneration and these could be multiplied in Germany if a single facsimile copy got into the wrong hands.”

Source: Hitler’s Political Testament, Personal Will, and Marriage Certificate: From the Bunker in Berlin to National Archives in Washington, D.C. {Part III: The Documents Journey from Germany to Washington}

Read NARA's entire entry on this which is divided into three different sets:

• Hitler’s Political Testament, Personal Will, and Marriage Certificate: From the Bunker in Berlin to the National Archives in Washington, D.C. {Part I: The Creation of the Documents}
  
• Hitler’s Political Testament, Personal Will, and Marriage Certificate: From the Bunker in Berlin to National Archives in Washington, D.C. {Part II: The Couriers Take the Documents}
  
• Hitler’s Political Testament, Personal Will, and Marriage Certificate: From the Bunker in Berlin to National Archives in Washington, D.C. {Part III: The Documents Journey from Germany to Washington}

Please be careful with what Mr. How says. He is probably a great guy, with some good ideas, but he seems flaky and is wrong on the finer details.

Best regards,
-haldan

So you guys won't even consider that Hitler and Goebbels were betrayed? To understand this theory you have to realize that Hitler's Last Will is complete nonsense and it was set up for the whole "suicide" story.

I have always respected this site but the very fact that some of you won't even consider this shocks me:

Watch this video by Jim How and just, at least, listen to his ideas and consider them with the way we know how International Jewry worked. They did the same thing to Gaddafi.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzPQ4gKO1mY

And JIm How has an excellent point. Where is the original copy of his Last Will written in German??? That should have been recovered by the Soviets. But yet it was not. The Jews tell 20 different stories and only one is right.

[hermod]

So you guys won't even consider that Hitler and Goebbels were betrayed? To understand this theory you have to realize that Hitler's Last Will is complete nonsense and it was set up for the whole "suicide" story.

I have always respected this site but the very fact that some of you won't even consider this shocks me:

I was considering your theory. That's why I was asking a question about cremation contortions.

And how is Hitler's testament complete nonsense? I've read it a while ago and I've found nothing suspicious or inconsistent in it.

Watch this video by Jim How and just, at least, listen to his ideas and consider them with the way we know how International Jewry worked. They did the same thing to Gaddafi.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzPQ4gKO1mY

Unconvincing video IMO.

And JIm How has an excellent point. Where is the original copy of his Last Will written in German???

2 sets in American archives (one of those sets was even displayed at the National Archives in Washington for a while) and 1 set in British archives.

That should have been recovered by the Soviets. But yet it was not.

3 messengers carrying the document, with one of the them arrested by the British and 2 others arrested in the American zone of occupation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_will_ ... _documents

That's the official version. It can be discussed, doubted and debated. But you have to bring arguments if you find that the official version is unreliable.

The Jews tell 20 different stories and only one is right.

Most often, they tell 20 different stories and 20 are lies.