Righteous Jews speak up

[Hannover]

A confessional of sorts, or perhaps better described as 'cries for help' from one of their own.

"If the Jewish media lords cheat you about Palestine, why do you think they are honest in any other way?"

"The Holocaust Industry is but a branch of the Anti-Semitism Manufacture, a two-pronged weapon: it pumps money from Gentiles and forces Jews into obedience to the leaders of the community."

"By their flawed logic, if the Israelis are telling a tall tale about what happened in 1948 (Deir Yassin massacre of Palestinians), perhaps the Jewish memories of the Holocaust are also flawed,"

- Israel Shamir, Israeli writer & journalist

Hannover

[steve]

Hannover,

I must disagree with you here.

Shamir is NOT a righteous jew.

He does not pass the litmus test. That is, he does not renounce that fraud of a religion. The Hoax.
At least I have never read anything by him that indicates there were NO magical Gas Chambers, nor a policy to kill jews.

It is no big deal to 'expose' exaggerations, lies, profiting, etc. off the so called Holocaust. After all, if the evil Germans murdered 6e6 jews 'simply because they were jews', who could blame the juden for being bitter? Bitter to the point of extorting trillions for the stupid, evil goyim.

No, neither Shamir, Shahak, Finkelstein, etal, are worth anything in my book. Not until they come right out and admit the H is one Big Lie. (No Gas Chambers, No policy, and of course no 6e6 nonsense.)

Steve

[Hannover]

I understand your point, and to a certain degree I agree. But men like Shamir are what has been described as 'salami Revisionists'...engaging in a piece by piece, one step at a time approach. It gets people thinking, it prepares the ground ahead.

By openly acknowledging that the main accusers have a propensity for lying, it then opens the door for examination of other events they claim to be 'fact'.

Will this allow everyone to see through the so called 'holocau$t' as alleged? Probably not, but piece by piece there will be those that make the connection.

As in a legitimate court of law, a 'witness' who is exposed as having a general tendency to lie is not considered credible. That is exactly what we have in these statements by Shamir, a process of exposing liars.

It's just one more element in reaching a critical mass.

Thanks for your views,

Hannover

[Hebden]

Hannover,

I must disagree with you here.

Shamir is NOT a righteous jew.

Quite true. He's now a Christian.

[i]He does not pass the litmus test. That is, he does not renounce that fraud of a religion. The Hoax. At least I have never read anything by him that indicates there were NO magical Gas Chambers, nor a policy to kill jews.

As a general observation, we contend that people are typically conservative in the way they hold their core beliefs, whether political, religious or scientific. Attempting to undermine such beliefs will prove very difficult unless credible or comforting alternatives can be supplied.

In other words, unless or until revisionists can account for the fate of the 3-4 million apparently missing Jews, we, for one, will not blame anybody for refusing to take the wider revisionist case seriously.

[Sailor]

In other words, unless or until revisionists can account for the fate of the 3-4 million apparently missing Jews, we, for one, will not blame anybody for refusing to take the wider revisionist case seriously.

Who did the counting of the 3-4 million missing Jews?

[Hebden]

In other words, unless or until revisionists can account for the fate of the 3-4 million apparently missing Jews, we, for one, will not blame anybody for refusing to take the wider revisionist case seriously.

Who did the counting of the 3-4 million missing Jews?

For the sake of argument, let's say 2 million Poles, 1 million Russians, 1/2 million Western Jews and 1/2 million East Europeans.

[Hannover]

Respond to the question Hebden....."WHO did the counting"?

While you're at it, give us your proof that they were murdered; as it would appear that is what you believe in.

- Hannover

[Hannover]

While were at it, let's not forget righteous Jew, David Cole. His '46 Unanswered Questions about the Nazi 'gas chambers' remain...well, unanswered by Believers.
His work is part of the core of Revisionist research. On numerous occasions he has travelled to all the major camps, and many of the lesser ones; and he finds the allegations to be absurd, laughable, and impossible as alleged.
One might add that David has been assaulted and his life has been threatened repeatedly. A brave, righteous Jew indeed.

It's my understanding that Shamir had not "converted" when he made these statements. Hebden seems to think that his alleged "conversion" would matter.
But then, one could see why Shamir would want to distance himself from the shysters.

- Hannover

[steve]

Hannover, I understand your point about the possible effectiveness of jews like Shamir, etal. Maybe you are correct. But, I think it is possible people like them reinforce the myth. Here's why:

The average person may note that they (Shamir, etc.) are 'speaking out' against jewish interests. And, they may say to themselves, "Wow, this guy is brave and honest. So, if even THEY go along with the Holocaust story, it MUST be true."
Whether the above is the case or not, my attitude is, to sing that Big Lie for so many years, and at such an expense to innocent people, deserves nothing less than a full admission that the so-called Holocaust is simply a Lie. I will be satisfied with nothing less.

By the way, I also consider Cole 'righteous'. His 'recantation', considering the death threat(!), is of course meaningless. (Not to mention, laughable. The enforcers of the Big H are shameless, are they not?)


Hebden wrote: "Quite true. He's now a Christian. "

That's odd, since the last 10 times I asked a jew if he was Italian (knowing full well he was a jew), he answered "No, I'm jewish.". Also, why is it I can look at Alan Derschowitz and pretty much know he is jewish? The point is, for those not savvy enough to figure it out, is, 'jewish' is RACE, not religion.

This is why I simply cannot take any aspect of the Hoax seriously, along with the reality deniers (Holocausters). They lie as naturally as they breathe.

I will also ask, along with Sailor and Hannover, in reference to the 3-4 Million, " WHO did the counting"?
Actually, is it not the case that a count can indeed be made by examining the records at the Arlosen Tracing Service (I think that is its name)? But, those records are off limits to serious researchers (ie, truth seeking revisionists)? Why is that?

Steve

[Moderator]

I must insist on staying on topic. I've allowed some extraneous comments, but we are definitely drifting here.
The 'how many' question will need to be addressed in a different thread. It is an interesting topic and I hope to see it brought back...separately.

Thanks, Moderator

[Hannover]

"The Holocaust ... a money-making invention of the Jews, a global Jewish plot"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ - 31. January 1999

- Jew & chess master, Bobby Fischer, another obvious 'antisemite'

Hannover

[Hannover]

"Aerial photos taken from an altitude of 7,000 meters, on April 4, 1944, by American reconnaissance planes, where the readers can make out all the mundane details, ***except the presence of gas chambers***.

If seeing is believing, how then does one make the admission that where the Shoah is concerned it is precisely images we are completely without."

French speaking Jew, Jacques Mandelbaum, stated in 'Le Monde', 1/25/01, p. 17

- Hannover