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Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby Soza » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:12 pm)

I have seen this notion displayed in the movie “The Boy In Striped Pyjamas” notorious for being denounced as it perpetuates historical inaccuracies regarding the Holocaust. Can somebody provide an explanation for this accusation?

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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby DissentingOpinions » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:37 pm)

No, The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas never portrayed the narrative as gas showers. There weren’t even any shower heads I could find in the room. The SS were seen dropping some small crystal substances down a single hole & then Zyklon-B. I think the movie was criticized for portraying an SS soldier living with his family nearby Birkenau & that a child as young as Shmuel was allowed to stay in the camp, despite the fact that children under 15 were claimed to have been murdered upon entry. It also painted the SS officer in a sympathetic light when he learned his son got in the camp & was accidentally murdered despite his attempt to save him.

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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby Hektor » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:03 pm)

There were plenty of children in the camp. I don't think the official narrative denies this. But there is an attempt to draw this in a nefarious light of course. "Those kids were kept alive for medical experiments".

And there is also another issue. Kids from camp staff were apparently playing within the camp area. There is a "Standortbefehl" that orders to set an end to this.

Children in the camp area

I have noticed that children stay here inside the camp during the day and even hang around the individual workplaces. As I moved in and out, I could see these children walking alongside closed formations of marching inmates. I hereby prohibit this and point out the danger that may result for the children during possible escape attempts requiring the use of firearms by escorting guards.

In addition, this interaction of the children with inmates brings with it such a moral disadvantage that this is irresponsible on the part of the parents. SS members have to instruct their wives and children in this regard, and have to ensure that their children stay away from the inmates and are not constantly present inside the camp itself or at the workplaces. ” (SB 25/43, p. 306)...
https://archive.org/details/germar-rudo ... ion-camp-a



The records of the orders actually make it pretty clear that the officious narrative of 'the Holocaust' can not be trusted.
I say this in the light of there being much more circumstantial statements in the records that aren't in line with Auschwitz having been an 'industrial extermination center".

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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby DissentingOpinions » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:18 pm)

Thank you Hektor. I was never taught in school that anyone besides the NS & prisoners were allowed in the camps on the regular(Although the Red Cross had free access to visit wherever they wanted), so this is new to me. It’s remarkable how much information the Holocaust Handbooks series contains, revisionist and mundane. I’ll give this one a read this week.

Edit: Just saw your mention of Mengele. Yes, I was taught about him, but I never believed the stories. I’m also familiar with the gypsy situation. My initial reply more or less refers to the notion of children being kept in Birkenau as if they were cleared to work there.

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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby Hektor » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:50 pm)

The officious Mengele Narrative is preposterous on its face. It is so ridiculous that it is rather astonishing how many educated grown ups do seem to believe it. Santa Clause is more believable.

I'd probably have believed, if there was a slight story of some doctor doing experiments there. But this guy was literally everywhere in Auschwitz doing the most ridiculous experiments probably invented to make him look like some diabolical figure. That this tell could make its rounds and circulate without being dismissed out of hand is sufficient indication that the official narrative is at best a cartoon version of history.

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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby Waldgänger » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:22 pm)

The fake shower heads narrative is one of the oldest of the atrocity propagandas from the war. Official historians have had to deny it and practice revisionism, discarding many "eyewitness" accounts. Combining the gas chamber rumours with the actual showers that people took to clean them of lice & other vermin, we can see easily how a conflation was made in memory and gossip. The same is perhaps true for the burning of dead bodies, which was a necessity in time of a typhus epidemic, and which Jews would've done as work in the camp, thus the factual basis for liars like Dario Gabbai & Filip Müller to speak of burning gassed people.

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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby hermod » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:02 am)

DissentingOpinions wrote:No, The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas never portrayed the narrative as gas showers.


Yes, it portrayed the narrative as gas showers. A sonderkommando guy even told the doomed inmates: "it's just a shower."

And why did you think they got naked if not to take a shower?

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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby hermod » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:07 am)

Not only to kill Jews with poison gas. The shower/bath thing was also used as a part of the electrocution-floor story and the steam-death-chamber lie.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby Waldgänger » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:50 am)

hermod wrote:Not only to kill Jews with poison gas. The shower/bath thing was also used as a part of the electrocution-floor story and the steam-death-chamber lie.


And T4! :lol:

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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby borjastick » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:33 am)

Showers really existed in the camps, gas chambers did not thus or hence the creativity applied to the story. It was made an attractive and more horrific deception on the inmates and thus the public thereafter to claim people were told to take a shower but that instead of water coming out, gas came out.

Complete nonsense of course.

'Survivors' statements also say that they went into the showers expecting gas but instead water came out...

Tells you all you need to know really.
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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby Fred zz » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:28 am)

Look at the people being gassed. I figure the Germans would need that manpower for behind the battle line work. To take a line from a very Jewish movie, "The strong make many. The starving make few. The dead make none."
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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby hermod » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:57 am)

borjastick wrote:Showers really existed in the camps, gas chambers did not


Gas chambers did exist in the German concentration camps, but they were small fumigation cubicles for the anti-typhus delousing of clothes. Holohoaxers just fictively mixed both things in order to turn two real sanitary facilities into a fake weapon of mass murder for atrocity propaganda purposes.



When we say that there were no gas chambers in the German concentration camps, Holohoaxers can prove us wrong with a few cans of Zyklon B and some Prussian blue stains on a wall.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby DissentingOpinions » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:18 pm)

hermod wrote:
DissentingOpinions wrote:No, The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas never portrayed the narrative as gas showers.


Yes, it portrayed the narrative as gas showers. A sonderkommando guy even told the doomed inmates: "it's just a shower."

And why did you think they got naked if not to take a shower?



The thread title was asking if the movie perpetuated the myth of the gas coming through the “fake” shower heads, which as I explained in my reply was not shown. If you can find any dummy shower heads in the gas chamber scene, do please point them out.

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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby hermod » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:36 pm)

DissentingOpinions wrote:The thread title was asking if the movie perpetuated the myth of the gas coming through the “fake” shower heads, which as I explained in my reply was not shown. If you can find any dummy shower heads in the gas chamber scene, do please point them out.


Thanks for the explanation. I'm not a native English speaker. That's why I hadn't realized that shower enclosures were showerheads.
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because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Question about the narrative that shower enclosures were utilized to distribute hazardous gas to exterminate Jews.

Postby DissentingOpinions » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Thu Feb 09, 2023 6:10 pm)

At least, that’s how I interpreted it. The official narrative makes up this kind of story with Dachau.


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