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On Revisionism

Postby Sailor » 2 decades 3 months ago (Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:55 pm)

Hebden wrote: It must start with an appreciation of the parlous state of Holocaust Revisionism in the English speaking world. Frankly, what we see appalls us. If one is to believe the boast that the Internet macht frei, one would expect Revisionism to have literally dozens if not hundreds of active and informed advocates. It doesn't even have a handful. So much for the diagnosis. What's to be done?


I think that this is basically true.

Let me quote from Manon “A Look Back at Revisionism” :

Since many years now revisionist books and journal articles accumulate, which due to their scientific depth and the sheer irrefutable argumentation and rigorous arguments all by themselves should be in the position to cause a history-scientific revolution. But nothing happens. The silencing spiral together with the increased worldwide persecution-rage suffocates more and more revisionists. Let us be realistic for once: It cannot be expected that, with the present global power realities, a breakthrough of the historic revisionism can happen. For this a worldwide political revolution of radical extent must happen, and who, please, should enforce this? This is especially valid for Germany, where an isolated breakthrough of the revisionism must lead to a foreign policy disaster. It is therefore time, to take account for the deeper reasons of this lack of success of the revisionism in a non-scientific area. May the following contribution introduce an overdue discussion about this problem.[…]

Jürgen Graf wrote in his book The Holocaust Swindle:
»The revisionists placed the fuse on the Holocaust-idol and it only needs someone who put a match to it. Once the fuse is lighted the collapse of the horrible idol is only a question of one or two years. It’s collapse will shake the world.«

It would be nice, as far as the idol is concerned. But who wants the latter, which could mean perhaps the third world war? Prof. Noam Chomsky writes in The Fateful Triangle: The United States, Israel and the Palestinians, though in a different connection, Israel could act like a “wild country”, dangerous for its surroundings, not normal, it would even be capable to put the oilfields on fire or to start an atomic war. And Jörg Bremer, the Israel correspondent of the FAZ reports about extremists who believe »one must only bomb the Third Temple.«


I am not a revisionist, but rather a skeptic on this matter.
I don’t have to read many books and revisionist and anti-revisionist essays, I don’t need Rudolf, Mattogno, Graf, Faurisson and all the others.

The idea of gassing 1 million people in Auschwitz (the official number of dead is 1,25 million, withy say 0.25 million died naturally) in a time period of about 18 months, with daily 2000 up to 4500 victims essentially in two morgues each of 30m x 7m is simply idiotic.

Or the alleged 3 gas chambers each 4m x 4m in one building in Treblinka, where according to the findings of the Düsseldorf court in Germany up to 30,000 people were gassed daily with diesel exhaust fumes. I find this nonsense to be an insult to basic human intelligence.


What's to be done?


I don’t know. Maybe thinking about it, talking about it is all we can do.

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Postby Hannover » 2 decades 3 months ago (Sat Feb 08, 2003 7:05 am)

Revisionist research is generally air-tight. Anyone who still believes in the 'holocau$t' as alleged after reading the basics of Revisionist research must want to believe. Ignorance is bliss to some. We do know that believers cannot honestly debate Revisionist for any length of time and prevail. Witness this Forum. Witness their dirty tactics. Witness their laws against free speech.

That said, it's also a historical fact that truth, ideas, and thoughts cannot be stopped. It's rather like early attempts to force a flat-earth belief upon the population, or mandates that demanded obeyance to an earth centered planetary system, or governments which stated a belief in withcraft & sorcery and passed laws against it and tortured 'witches'. The absurd 'holocau$t' as alleged shall pass. Simply guaranteed.

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Re: On Revisionism

Postby Hebden » 2 decades 3 months ago (Sat Feb 08, 2003 2:38 pm)

Sailor wrote:.

The idea of gassing 1 million people in Auschwitz (the official number of dead is 1,25 million, withy say 0.25 million died naturally) in a time period of about 18 months, with daily 2000 up to 4500 victims essentially in two morgues each of 30m x 7m is simply idiotic.


And the shooting of hundreds of thousands of people into pits in the Soviet Union? We suggest you deal with our point about the police decodes which apparently document thousands of such deaths. Be so kind to give us your opinion on these.

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Postby Hannover » 2 decades 3 months ago (Sat Feb 08, 2003 3:28 pm)

We've dealt with these alleged & so called "decodes" here, there is no evidence to support the alleged information in them.

The unfounded assertions of "hundreds of thousands of people into pits in the Soviet Union" where no evidence exists is simply more ludicrous wishful thinking by tho$e who benefit from such absurd fantasies.
Such assertions without evidence are just as ridiculous as the phantom 'gas chambers'.

There is no way there can be "hundreds of thousands of people into pits in the Soviet Union", in allegedly known, specific cites, without there being "hundreds of thousands of people into pits in the Soviet Union".

That's the way it works in real life.

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Re: On Revisionism

Postby Jonathan Swift » 2 decades 3 months ago (Tue Feb 11, 2003 7:51 am)

Sailor wrote:The idea of gassing 1 million people in Auschwitz (the official number of dead is 1,25 million, withy say 0.25 million died naturally) in a time period of about 18 months, with daily 2000 up to 4500 victims essentially in two morgues each of 30m x 7m is simply idiotic.


1. Don't see why. Care to expand ?

2. Where is it stated that 1 million people were gassed within 18 months in two of the crematoria ? The one million figure is widely accepted by historians and was also stated by Rudolf Höss in his autobiography, but it refers to the whole period in which mass killings took place at Auschwitz-Birkenau, spring 1942 to autumn 1944, and to all gassing and cremation facilities.

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Postby Sailor » 2 decades 3 months ago (Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:52 pm)

Jonathan Swift wrote:1. Don't see why. Care to expand ?


This is my personal view. At that time the total population of the second largest city in Germany, Hamburg, was about 1 Million. To see the majority of that many people gassed in two small semi-underground basements of 30m x 7m I simply find absurd.

2. Where is it stated that 1 million people were gassed within 18 months in two of the crematoria ?

It is correct, alleged gassings took place earlier, in Krema I in the Auschwitz main camp and in those two bunkers I and II.
Krema II and III with morgues 1 is where most of the alleged gas chamber murders apparently occurred, started operation in the spring of 1943 and were demolished in November 1944 as far as I know. Is this wrong?

The one million figure is widely accepted by historians and was also stated by Rudolf Höss in his autobiography


Ja, right!
The man was also in a Polish prison in Cracow and had the hangman’s noose around his neck when he was writing his autobiography!

My point is that the huge number of 1 million gassed in a fairly short time raised my skepticism on this.

A good essay on skepticism is: A Challenge to David Irving
http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/engl/FaurisA ... 412xx.html where Faurisson cleaned the clock of Mr. Irving.

Faurisson taught me a lot in this essay about how to approach the Holocaust story. The same type of thinking is also quite helpful in the present political Middle East situation, as well as in anything where the media tries to convince people.
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