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AxisHistory2006
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What was the main cause of the deaths in camps?
We've all seen the bodies. The issue is when people see the bodies they believe they were either gassed or shot. But what's the reality behind these bodies? Did most of the Jews die from disease? Is there a recorded Typhus epidemic in 1944 in the camps that could kill thousands? I would like to see sources of what was going on and know how these people died. Thanks!
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Re: What was the main cause of the deaths in camps?
I would think that most of the people in those pics died from starvation and or disease exacerbated by the huge bombings towards the end of the war. Germany was in a real mess. Food and medical care for camps would have been non existent.
GAS CHAMBER: disguised as a "shower room"
- Never used as a gas chamber.
- Never used as a gas chamber.
Re: What was the main cause of the deaths in camps?
The camps where those terrible photos were taken (called the Western camps) were quarantined, deloused with DDT and sometimes even burned down (Belsen) after they had been captured by the Allies. Clearly sanitary measures carried out to deal with a major health disaster. Devastate 2 and a half cities every month (!!!) in any country and that's you'll inescapably get after a while. Anyway none of those shocking pics could possibly be the photo of a gassed Jew because all those horror pictures were taken in camps that are no longer regarded as extermination camps with homicidal gas chambers (6 Eastern camps) by any orthodox/antirevisionist/exterminationist historian.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
Re: What was the main cause of the deaths in camps?
AxisHistory2006 wrote:We've all seen the bodies. The issue is when people see the bodies they believe they were either gassed or shot. But what's the reality behind these bodies? Did most of the Jews die from disease? Is there a recorded Typhus epidemic in 1944 in the camps that could kill thousands? I would like to see sources of what was going on and know how these people died. Thanks!
Yes, it's like presenting bodies from an accident as evidence for murder. And that is deception (this is what is meant by lying).
Initially it wasn't generally asserted that the bodies of dead people in sykewar films were Jews. It was stated something like 'undesirables'. And it was a figure of "20 Million" given. There is probably 100s or 1000s bodies that were found. And the cause of death might be various. Typhus may have played a role, but so could other health problems relating to undernourishment as well as lack of clean drinking water. One should also not underestimated psychogenic factors that can lead to mass psychogenic diseases.
As for sources didn't the Allied investigators engage pathologists to look into it? If not, what were there assertions based on?
Bear in mind that Germany was bombed to smithereens, half of the residential buildings were severely damaged. There was rationing and the food supply was diminishing as well. If you couldn't live off your garden or farm, you had a problem. And well there were refugees as well (real ones, not the kind of welfare migrant that nowadays is called 'refugee').
So it is by no means a surprise that people in camps would die. There is plenty of good explanations for this. The gassing myth is for sure neither a good one, nor necessary.
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AxisHistory2006
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Re: What was the main cause of the deaths in camps?
I know Himmler mentioned the Typhus epidemic before his death, but is there any other sources pertaining to Typhus killing lots of prisoners? A testimony? Or maybe a letter from an SS? If so, please let me know. Thanks!
Hektor wrote:AxisHistory2006 wrote:We've all seen the bodies. The issue is when people see the bodies they believe they were either gassed or shot. But what's the reality behind these bodies? Did most of the Jews die from disease? Is there a recorded Typhus epidemic in 1944 in the camps that could kill thousands? I would like to see sources of what was going on and know how these people died. Thanks!
Yes, it's like presenting bodies from an accident as evidence for murder. And that is deception (this is what is meant by lying).
Initially it wasn't generally asserted that the bodies of dead people in sykewar films were Jews. It was stated something like 'undesirables'. And it was a figure of "20 Million" given. There is probably 100s or 1000s bodies that were found. And the cause of death might be various. Typhus may have played a role, but so could other health problems relating to undernourishment as well as lack of clean drinking water. One should also not underestimated psychogenic factors that can lead to mass psychogenic diseases.
As for sources didn't the Allied investigators engage pathologists to look into it? If not, what were there assertions based on?
Bear in mind that Germany was bombed to smithereens, half of the residential buildings were severely damaged. There was rationing and the food supply was diminishing as well. If you couldn't live off your garden or farm, you had a problem. And well there were refugees as well (real ones, not the kind of welfare migrant that nowadays is called 'refugee').
So it is by no means a surprise that people in camps would die. There is plenty of good explanations for this. The gassing myth is for sure neither a good one, nor necessary.
Re: What was the main cause of the deaths in camps?
AxisHistory2006 wrote:I know Himmler mentioned the Typhus epidemic before his death, but is there any other sources pertaining to Typhus killing lots of prisoners? A testimony? Or maybe a letter from an SS? If so, please let me know. Thanks!
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It is occasionally mentioned that Typhus was a serious problem. But when death records are filled in, I don't think it necessarily says Typhus. Because it is not the direct cause of death. It can say heart-failure or something else in those cases. So it can be confusing. What is diagnosed as Typhus isn't necessarily typhus neither. Symptoms may be similar. That is an issue with mass psychogenic illness as well. The physical symptoms are real. But the physical cause isn't necessarily there.
Re: What was the main cause of the deaths in camps?
AxisHistory2006 wrote:I know Himmler mentioned the Typhus epidemic before his death, but is there any other sources pertaining to Typhus killing lots of prisoners? A testimony? Or maybe a letter from an SS? If so, please let me know. Thanks!
The 1945 letter of Joseph Kramer, the statements of von Eberstein, Konrad Morgen, Rudolf Hoess and Oswald Pohl's lawyer at the 1st Nuremberg show trial, the 1948 report of International Red Cross, the sanitary measures in the liberated Western camps (warning signs, barracks on fire, DDT powdering, quarantine, bulldozers, mass graves, and so on), the testimonies of people (camp inmates and Allied soldiers) who were in the Western camps in April 1945, and the 1980 statement on epidemics in German concentration camps by Dr. Charles Larson (see my previous post in this thread). What else do you want??? A photo of Hitler at the beach with the words "I hate typhus!" tattooed on his chest?
ERNST ZÜNDEL INTERVIEWS DR. RUSSELL BARTON
REGARDING HIS EXPERIENCE IN BERGEN-BELSEN
https://tv.gab.com/watch?v=6395be8572bc817fac395f62
REGARDING HIS EXPERIENCE IN BERGEN-BELSEN
https://tv.gab.com/watch?v=6395be8572bc817fac395f62
WWII RESTRICTED FILM FIGHTING LICE LOUSE CONTROL 22744
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
Re: What was the main cause of the deaths in camps?
AxisHistory2006 wrote:I know Himmler mentioned the Typhus epidemic before his death, but is there any other sources pertaining to Typhus killing lots of prisoners? A testimony? Or maybe a letter from an SS? If so, please let me know. Thanks!
You might find something of interest in this article by Friedrich Berg called Typhus and the Jews. There is a quote from John E Gordon who was Professor of Preventive Medicine and Epidemiology at the Harvard University School of Public Health. A quote from 1948 has him stating "Conditions in Western Europe in many respects favored a much greater spread of typhus fever than actually occurred. Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution were poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have experienced".
https://codoh.com/library/document/typh ... e-jews/en/
There are 2 sides to every story - always listen or read both points of view and make up your own mind. Don't let others do your thinking for you.
Re: What was the main cause of the deaths in camps?
The Holocaust BIG LIE
https://tv.gab.com/watch?v=62d0cdb726c8f1c6e0673ca4
Questioning the Holocaust: Why We Believed
https://tv.gab.com/watch?v=620f7cfd2d81effd5fbf9add
PROBING THE HOLOCAUST : THE HORROR EXPLAINED
https://tv.gab.com/watch?v=629e63b40655164445a7cd8a
https://tv.gab.com/watch?v=62d0cdb726c8f1c6e0673ca4
Questioning the Holocaust: Why We Believed
https://tv.gab.com/watch?v=620f7cfd2d81effd5fbf9add
PROBING THE HOLOCAUST : THE HORROR EXPLAINED
https://tv.gab.com/watch?v=629e63b40655164445a7cd8a
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
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The Allies getting rid of typhus-carrying lice
in the newly-captured German concentration camps
and at other places :
in the newly-captured German concentration camps
and at other places :
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
Re: What was the main cause of the deaths in camps?
Josef Kramer,
a former commandant of the Auschwitz and Belsen concentration camps,
at the Auschwitz & Belsen show trial in Lüneburg :
"All [the victims of concentration camps] died from natural causes."
a former commandant of the Auschwitz and Belsen concentration camps,
at the Auschwitz & Belsen show trial in Lüneburg :
"All [the victims of concentration camps] died from natural causes."
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
Re: What was the main cause of the deaths in camps?
Mortimer wrote:AxisHistory2006 wrote:I know Himmler mentioned the Typhus epidemic before his death, but is there any other sources pertaining to Typhus killing lots of prisoners? A testimony? Or maybe a letter from an SS? If so, please let me know. Thanks!
You might find something of interest in this article by Friedrich Berg called Typhus and the Jews. There is a quote from John E Gordon who was Professor of Preventive Medicine and Epidemiology at the Harvard University School of Public Health. A quote from 1948 has him stating "Conditions in Western Europe in many respects favored a much greater spread of typhus fever than actually occurred. Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution were poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have experienced".
https://codoh.com/library/document/typh ... e-jews/en/
Under those conditions vastly increased mortality rates are the predictable outcome. While that was useful for propaganda at the time, the mass of historiographers and journalists still refuse to use logic and reason on the matter peddling a story that isn't backed up by empirical evidence at all. In fact it is contradicted by it. So it is no surprise that they have to persecute and jail revisionists and disparage historians that dissent with the 'orthodox view' on things.
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Wlilliam O'Dwyer, Executive Director of the War Refugee Board, talking about "disrupted transportation conditions inside Germany " in March 1945 :
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
Re: What was the main cause of the deaths in camps?
Hektor wrote:Mortimer wrote:AxisHistory2006 wrote:I know Himmler mentioned the Typhus epidemic before his death, but is there any other sources pertaining to Typhus killing lots of prisoners? A testimony? Or maybe a letter from an SS? If so, please let me know. Thanks!
You might find something of interest in this article by Friedrich Berg called Typhus and the Jews. There is a quote from John E Gordon who was Professor of Preventive Medicine and Epidemiology at the Harvard University School of Public Health. A quote from 1948 has him stating "Conditions in Western Europe in many respects favored a much greater spread of typhus fever than actually occurred. Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution were poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have experienced".
https://codoh.com/library/document/typh ... e-jews/en/
Under those conditions vastly increased mortality rates are the predictable outcome. While that was useful for propaganda at the time, the mass of historiographers and journalists still refuse to use logic and reason on the matter peddling a story that isn't backed up by empirical evidence at all. In fact it is contradicted by it. So it is no surprise that they have to persecute and jail revisionists and disparage historians that dissent with the 'orthodox view' on things.
Serbia was devastated by typhus in 1915 and a major British newspaper claimed in 1916 that the Austrian & Bulgar allies of the Germans had just slaughtered numerous Serbian civilians in gas chambers. Turning victims of diseases into victims of mass murderers was a propaganda trick already used during WWI.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
Re: What was the main cause of the deaths in camps?
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed. "
Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
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