Treblinka Eyewitness Accounts

[Hektor]

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True. When ever they get something that could be remotely considered physical evidence they cling onto it.

It's interesting how they are not outright lying, except for the star of David part. The article says, “Star of David-stamped tiles are consistent with Holocaust survivors’ reports of appearance of the Nazi extermination camp’s gas chambers.”

Notice the weasel words, 'consistent', 'appearance'. The average reader won't think twice about it. They will never know that the live witnesses simply said there were tiles in the alleged gas chamber. And the report with the most details (color of the tiles) was from a piece of paper with dubious origins.

There is a misconception with people on what 'lying' actually is. Lying isn't the telling of non-truth or non-facts. It is the telling of narratives designed to deceive people. And that's done more craftily. To be convincing one needs to have some 'real elements' in it. Something that people can see and observe. And around those elements a story is spun. Camp+Zyklon+Corpses then becomes 'extermination program'. That the camps may have been there for other reasons, that Zyklon B was used for delousing and that people can actually die from something else than homicidal gassings gets ignored. They simply insist that they 'have witnesses' and that they all 'tell the truth'. Wait, only some witnesses affirm your narrative others don't. Now which one 'tells the truth'?

As for Treblinka one can assume that all kinds of rumors went around. Perhaps there was something like a shower room. Perhaps there was a gas chamber. Just that it wasn't a homicidal gas chambers, but people were telling stories about those rooms. If that gets compiled and edited, you can of course construct a gas chamber narrative 'from facts'.

And yes weasel words are handy. consistent means the item looks like someone describes. But what does that actually prove? Actually nothing. You are back to your 'testimony' there. Just because there are 'consistent' elements in the testimony doesn't mean that the message you try to convey by using it, is true.

[Archie]

I remember when I'd discover a new witness it was exciting and important to my process of discovering that the holocaust was a myth. But regarding this forum, it's good to look up these alleged eyewitnesses in the keyword search before posting. Otherwise it appears that you're mentioning a witness the forum hasn't encountered before. Talking about a testimony anew is fine, but maybe it's good to be aware of, or acknowledge the other threads.

On Krzepicki: If 700,000 allegedly died at Treblinka, and around 70 Jews escaped, what are the chances that one of those Jews (Krzepicki) was a former roommate of Rachel Auerbach who later became a career employee at Yad Vashem. And if you did escape Treblinka, would you really go back to Warsaw and collaborate with Auerbach on writing about your experiences in 'novel' form? Rather than frantically contacting Jewish organizations and trying to get the word out?

Krzepicki is an Auerbach construct. She knew Adolf Berman and was involved in the Warsaw Jewish underground and the propaganda they made. And then there's the aspect of Krzepicki's story found in 1950 in a jar by construction workers. LOL.

Related links:
Did Krzepicki exist?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2910&hilit=krzepicki

Correspondence School in the Secret Annex?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3111&p=21532&hilit=krzepicki#p21532

'Polardude' writes

And in this newly discovered archive was the account of Abraham Krzepicki, written in Harry Potter literary style, that didn't have any of the same mistakes that wartime accounts had. Imagine that. Why? Because those liars probably wrote in in 1949, and then placed it where some construction worker was going to dig. And even then it's ridiculous. Krzepicki probably didn't even exist!

Saying something was written and lost, only to be found again, is a good way to get your facts straight in hindsight. LOL.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3064&p=21140&hilit=krzepicki#p21140

I am resurrecting this thread because someone is (pretending) to be impressed that Krzepicki's manuscript got the color of the tiles right. Of course this doesn't prove that the room it said was a gas chamber was a gas chamber, it was obviously just a bathroom. However, if the letter was written after the war, which I tend to believe considering the facts presented, how did it get the colors of the tiles correct? Thoughts?

In the OP, the account mentions two types of tiles, "small, white" ones and "orange terra cotta" ones. What color were the Sturdy-Colls ones? The pictures look like maybe a sandy color?

The walls of the building were covered with concrete. The gas chamber had not been operating for a week. I was able to look inside through one of the two strong whitewashed iron exits which happened to be open.

I saw before me a room which was not too large. It looked like a regular shower room with all the accoutrements of a public bathhouse. The walls of the room were covered with small, white tiles. It was very fine, clean work. The floor was covered with orange terra cotta tiles. Nickel plated metal faucets were set into the ceiling.

That was all. A comfortable, neat little bathhouse set in the mid­dle of a wooded area. There was nothing more to see. But as one stood in front of the entrance to this “bathhouse” one could see hills of lime, and beneath them the giant, still-open mass graves where tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of “bathers” lay in eternal rest. Later on, I was told that here, too, they had begun to cremate the bodies in the ditches.

There are terra-cotta tiles mentioned in the well-known report of November 1942, the one that talks about steam chambers instead of gas chambers.

Reproduced in Holocaust Handbooks #8, pg. 54

A path (9) skirts the building and runs along its western wall finally ending at the next building (12) near death-house No. 1 (14). This building is at right-angles to the death-house No. 2. It is a brick construction much smaller than the other. It consists of only three chambers and a steam-room. Along the northern wall of this house runs a corridor from which there are doors to the chambers. The outside walls of the chambers have valves (until recently doors which had been changed into valves for utility reasons). Also here a scoop in the shape of a shallow vessel is placed at the height of the valves (15). The steam-room (15a) is adjacent to the building. Inside the steam-room there is a large vat which produces the steam. The hot steam comes in to the chambers through pipes installed there, each having a prescribed number of vents. While this machinery of death is in action, the doors and valves are hermetically closed. The floor in the chambers has a terra-cotta inlay which becomes very slippery when water is poured over it. There is a well next to the steam-room, the only well in the whole area of Treblinka B. Not far from the death-house, south of the barbed-wire and wooden fences, there is a grave-diggers’ camp.

Here the gas, er, steam chamber building is said to have three steam chambers. Later on, another building was built with ten steam chambers (or maybe 8 or maybe 6). This is still the official story today (except it's gas chambers with diesel engines). The Krzepicki account has the major discrepancy of mentioning only a single room which was "not too large." The problem here is that if we want to give him credit for nailing the tiles (supposedly), we have to explain how it is he got such a good look at that sort of detail but failed to notice there were three gas chambers, failed to notice how the gas chambers worked or that there was an engine room etc. Likewise how this other report also noticed the terra-cotta but somehow came away with a story about an imaginary steam room.

The November 1942 report was compiled by the Ringelblum group which was a historical society in the Warsaw ghetto. There were some escapees from camps like Treblinka and Chelmno who supposedly returned to the ghetto after escaping and told their stories (Krzepicki is said to be one of these escapees). It is important to note that the November 1942 report actually does contain legitimate information about Treblinka, so they evidently did have some sources of intel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringelblum_Archive

[Hektor]

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Here the gas, er, steam chamber building is said to have three steam chambers. Later on, another building was built with ten steam chambers (or maybe 8 or maybe 6). This is still the official story today (except it's gas chambers with diesel engines). The Krzepicki account has the major discrepancy of mentioning only a single room which was "not too large." The problem here is that if we want to give him credit for nailing the tiles (supposedly), we have to explain how it is he got such a good look at that sort of detail but failed to notice there were three gas chambers, failed to notice how the gas chambers worked or that there was an engine room etc. Likewise how this other report also noticed the terra-cotta but somehow came away with a story about an imaginary steam room.

The November 1942 report was compiled by the Ringelblum group which was a historical society in the Warsaw ghetto. There were some escapees from camps like Treblinka and Chelmno who supposedly returned to the ghetto after escaping and told their stories (Krzepicki is said to be one of these escapees). It is important to note that the November 1942 report actually does contain legitimate information about Treblinka, so they evidently did have some sources of intel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringelblum_Archive

They can't even show those "steam chambers". Just as they can't show the (diesel) gas chambers. They can't show the corpses and they don't have a feasible way for getting rid of the remains. What they have is statements from people that affirm the existence and operations. Plus they have some deportation records. From this they then spin the narrative that close to a million people were homicidally gassed there, while the evidence was made to vanish later.

Do they really expect a mature, rational, educated and logically thinking person to believe this. Well, they do. They'd even jail people for this, if they doubt or call out the narrative as atrocity propaganda. So, they are dead serious with this. As if it is a religion and blasphemers must be punished and ostracized.

Are there human remains in Treblinka? Probably some, but nothing in line with the assertion that this was a killing center. Now not having evidence, the Holocaustians come up with another rescue device. They will claim that those deported to Treblinka were not deported to or going to other places afterwards. Hence, their conclusion is that they must have been gassed and made vanish there. Holocaust belief is irrational to a very high degree, while pretending to be 'scientific' and based on 'good scholarship'. That's dishonest as well. So they always play on some sanctimonious tune that this is about 'memory of the victims' and moralistic that they want to prevent this to ever 'happen again'.