Kommandobefehl, Kommissarbefehl, and Sühnebefehl / "Nazis destroyed all incriminating documents" or not?

[Lamprecht]

Essentially all of the "Evidence" supposedly proving the "Holocaust" is dubious, like the questionable Posen speeches or conflicting/contradictory eyewitness/"Survivor" testimonies. Even for the supposedly incriminating documents we almost never have originals, just [alleged] copies which can easily be faked. The promoters of the "Holocaust" conspiracy theory insist "well the nazis just destroyed anything that was incriminating, that's why there's no documents!"

But apparently there exists original written orders for Kommandobefehl, Kommissarbefehl, and Sühnebefehl despite these being exactly what the nazis would have wanted to destroy if they believed they would lose the war to the allies. If these orders are not genuine, please correct me; I intend to do a bit more digging but I'd like to see what everyone else thinks.

Some Wikipedia descriptions:

Kommandobefehl:

The Commando Order (German: Kommandobefehl) was issued by the OKW, the High Command of the German armed forces, on 18 October 1942 stating that in retaliation for their opponents "employing in their conduct of the war, methods which contravene the International Convention of Geneva", including from "captured orders" it emerging "that they are instructed not only to tie up prisoners, but also to kill out-of-hand unarmed captives who they think might prove an encumbrance to them, or hinder them in successfully carrying out their aims", and that Commandos have been ordered to kill prisoners,[1] all Allied Commandos encountered in Europe and Africa should be killed immediately without trial, even if in proper uniforms or if they attempted to surrender. Any commando or small group of commandos or a similar unit, agents, and saboteurs not in proper uniforms, who fell into the hands of the German forces by some means other than direct combat (through the police in occupied territories, for instance), were to be handed over immediately to the Sicherheitsdienst (SD, Security Service).

The order, which was issued in secret, made it clear that failure to carry out its directives by any commander or officer would be considered to be an act of negligence punishable under German military law.[2] This was in fact the second "Commando Order",[3] the first being issued by Generalfeldmarschall Gerd von Rundstedt on 21 July 1942, stipulating that parachutists should be handed over to the Gestapo.[4] Shortly after World War II, at the Nuremberg Trials, the Commando Order was found to be a direct breach of the laws of war, and German officers who carried out illegal executions under the Commando Order were found guilty of war crimes and sentenced to death, or, in two cases, extended incarceration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_Order

Kommissarbefehl:

The Commissar Order (German: Kommissarbefehl) was an order issued by the German High Command (OKW) on 6 June 1941 before Operation Barbarossa. Its official name was Guidelines for the Treatment of Political Commissars (Richtlinien für die Behandlung politischer Kommissare). It instructed the Wehrmacht that any Soviet political commissar identified among captured troops be summarily executed as an enforcer of the Judeo-Bolshevism ideology in military forces.

According to the order, all those prisoners who could be identified as "thoroughly bolshevized or as active representatives of the Bolshevist ideology" should also be killed.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kommissarbefehl

Sühnebefehl (Google translated from German language):

With the Atonement Order (888/41) issued Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel for the Supreme Command of the Wehrmacht on 16 September 1941, the instruction to the troops to execute for every ambush killed German soldiers 50 to a hundred civilians. The Atonement Order led to hostage-taking among the civilian population (especially Communists, Jews and Gypsies) and was an element of the Holocaust and Porajmos. [2] [3] Keitel was u. a. was sentenced to death and executed for this criminal order in the Nuremberg trial of the main war criminals.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BChnebefehl_(OKW)

Summary:

Kommandobefehl & Kommissarbefehl are claimed to be orders by the German high command to instantly kill any allied commanders or Soviet political officers they captured, rather than treating them like regular POWs. These orders would have certainly been something the Nazis would want to destroy if they were expecting a military trial by the opposing forces. The Sühnebefehl were orders to execute civilians in Yugoslavia as a result of partisan action.

None of these behaviors were unique to the Germans, all sides in World War II did these sorts of things. It was, of course, the deadliest war in human history. But the [alleged] existence of these orders really calls into question the whole "Nazis destroyed all incriminating documents" claim as it now must be modified "The nazis destroyed only documents ordering the killing of Jews, but not gentiles" which is what we might call 'Grasping at straws'


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[Hektor]

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Kommandobefehl & Kommissarbefehl are claimed to be orders by the German high command to instantly kill any allied commanders or Soviet political officers they captured, rather than treating them like regular POWs. These orders would have certainly been something the Nazis would want to destroy if they were expecting a military trial by the opposing forces. The Sühnebefehl were orders to execute civilians in Yugoslavia as a result of partisan action.
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Kommando =/= commander

The reference is to commando. Commandos are mostly parachuted Allied combatants that however fought like partisans, e.g. they won't take prisoners themselves.

[Hannover]

The double speak by "The Industry" is truly laughable.

First they say:

'The Germans destroyed all the incriminating documents'.

Then they say:

'The 'holocaust' is 'the most documented event in history'.

And of course they can't show us any authentic German "documents".

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the ridiculous 'holocaust' storyline is the message.

- Hannover

No alleged human remains of millions upon millions to be seen in allegedly known locations, no 'holocaust'.

[Lamprecht]

Thanks for the correction Hektor.

Carlos W Porter wrote about the "Commando Order":

Jodl was hanged for complicity in the Commando Order, an order to shoot British soldiers who fought in civilian clothes and strangled their own prisoners of war (XV 316-329 [347-362]). Jodl's defense was that international law is intended to protect men who fight as soldiers. Soldiers are required to bear arms openly, wear clearly recognizable emblems or uniforms, and to treat prisoners in a humane manner. Partisan warfare and the activities of British commando units were prohibited. Trial and execution of such people is legal if carried out under the terms of Article 63 of the Geneva Prisoner of War Convention of 1929. (See also dissentient opinion of Judge Rutledge, U.S. v. Yamashita; Habeas Corpus action of Field Marshall Milch.) In fact, almost no one was shot as a result of the Commando Order. (55 in Western Europe, according to Sir David Maxwell-Fyfe, XXII 284 [325]. The intention was to deter men from fighting in this manner, thinking they could simply surrender afterwards

Not Guilty at Nuremberg
http://cwporter.com/innocent.htm

On the Commissar Order Porter writes:

The Commissar Order had little if any practical effect, partly due to the difficulty of determining who was a Commissar (XXI 404-405 [446-447]); XXII 77 [91])

A good discussion on the order as well here:

British soldiers executed under Hitler’s Commando order — legal or illegal?
https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013 ... r-illegal/ or https://archive.is/iBCQV

[Lamprecht]

One thing I have never understood is how it is somehow considered a safe and reasonable assumption that the Germans destroyed any and all "incriminating" documents before the end of the war. But conversely, it is somehow an "antisemitic conspiracy theory" to suggest that the USSR or Western Allies could have destroyed or hidden various exonerating documents after the war was over.
I guess the message is: "Trust the government, unless they are Nazis!"

[borjastick]

The reason any army or administration destroys incriminating evidence and documents is because they realise they are losing the war and will need to cover stuff up. Stuff like great misdeeds, crimes, and shit that will be made to look like the above.

We've seen these amazing documents appear miraculously before, such as after the Gulf War when all manner of stuff was made up and then crushed under public scrutiny, such as when British MP George Galloway was accused of taking huge back-handers from Saddam Hussein on the basis of documents found on a shelf in Hussein's palace. He proved these were fake and embarrassed several US senators in the process.

The most obvious thing the SS/Hitler/Nazis would have destroyed are the claimed gas chambers. They would have got rid immediately. Then they would have got rid of all prisoners, SS guards and anyone else who knew the gas chambers were a real thing. That they didn't says it all really. I once heard that when Stalin had an opponent shot by firing squad the first thing he did afterwards was use another firing squad to shoot the first firing squad.

Conversely we are constantly shown pictures that 'prove' the holocaust in progress such as the spaghetti bodies, burning pit and ape man picture, such as dodgy witness statements that are held up as absolute proof of terrible crimes against humanity. But these things are never investigated. Surely the burning pit photo would be easy or even easier than an easy thing in easy week to find the pit, dig it up and show all these remains. But they don't. That gives the lie to this type of claim.

Destroying the evidence of heinous crimes is in fact very very difficult to do because it has to be done totally, comprehensively and in such time and planning so as to ensure success.