Acclaimed "eyewitness" Kurt Gerstein said that?

Hannover · Postby **Hannover** » 2 decades 3 months ago (Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:22 pm)

Some howlers from the highly touted, alleged "eyewitness", Kurt Gerstein:

- Gerstein said that 25,000,000 Jews were killed (there were only about 16,000,000 in the world at that time

- at Treblinka, he saw "whole mountains of clothes and underwear about 35-40 meters high" ... (131.2 ft)!...but today we find no evidence of gassings, or any evidence for a pit which allegedly held 900,000!!!

- using his numbers of alleged victims per gassing and his stated size of the alleged 'gas chambers' at Belzec we get a rather crowded **40 people per square meter**

- French scholar Henri Rocques has shown that there are SIX conflicting versions of Gerstein's alleged confessions.
see: http://abbc.com/aaargh/fran/ACHR/ACHR.a.html
(in French)

- The holocau$t Industry's acclaimed Raoul Hilberg cites Gerstein SIX times in his misnamed 'Destruction of the European Jews'. Hilberg finds Gerstein to be credible...that's the 'holocau$t. It certainly appears that all is not what we've been told.

Additions on the Gerstein fraud welcomed.

Hannover

grapple · Postby **grapple** » 2 decades 3 months ago (Sat Feb 15, 2003 7:29 pm)

Is there any site that has the confessions of Kurt Gerstein in English? I have looked and can only find places with parts of the confessions. I did find this at yad-vashem.org. If you add up the three camps you get a total of 60,000 persons per day. That equal 21,900,000 per year. Makes you wonder why the Germans opened up Auschwitz. The three camps by themselves could kill more people in one year than the Germans were accused of killing in five years.

From Notes Made by Kurt Gerstein, An Engineer Working for the SS, on the Extermination Camp At Belzec

In Lublin, SS Gruppenfuehrer Globocnik was waiting for us. He said: This is one of the most highly secret matters there are, perhaps the most secret. Anybody who speaks about it is shot dead immediately. Two talkative people died yesterday. Then he explained to us that, at the present moment - August 17, 1942 - there were the following installations:

1. Belzec, on the Lublin-Lvov road, in the sector of the Soviet Demarcation Line. Maximum per day: 15,000 persons (I saw it!).

2. Sobibor, I am not familiar with the exact situation, I did not visit it. 20,000 persons per day.

3. Treblinka, 120 km. NNE of Warsaw, 25,000 per day, saw it!

4. Majdanek, near Lublin, which I saw when it was being built.

http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/about_holo ... art2/doc16

Malle · Postby **Malle** » 2 decades 3 months ago (Sat Feb 15, 2003 8:05 pm)

See my post below!

Malle · Postby **Malle** » 2 decades 3 months ago (Sat Feb 15, 2003 8:06 pm)

Grapple,

No, what I know of, the book is not online. If you don't have the book, buy it! It's full of photocopys of all of Gerstien's statements. It's the only one that tried to compare Gerstein's impossible statements.

You could find it at http://www.noontidepress.com/catalog/0687.html

It's worth every cent of it!

Malle

grapple · Postby **grapple** » 2 decades 3 months ago (Sat Feb 15, 2003 8:28 pm)

Thank you for the link. $7.50 seems a very reasonable price for a 325-page book. I have noticed that Revisionists either give away their writing on the Internet or sell the books for low prices. Holocaust promoters always seem to want much more money for their writings. I would hate to think that they are trying to make money off the Holocaust

Geordie · Postby **Geordie** » 2 decades 3 months ago (Sun Feb 16, 2003 12:32 pm)

How influential is/was Gerstein's "confession"? I thought it seems pretty maligned these days.

Scott · Postby **Scott** » 2 decades 3 months ago (Sun Feb 16, 2003 12:48 pm)

Geordie wrote:How influential is/was Gerstein's "confession"? I thought it seems pretty maligned these days.

Gerstein's graphic gassing tale was universally trumpeted prior to Roques blowing him out of the water, ca. 1986. In fact, the first I heard of the gassing of the Jews by the Germans in WWII was in school during the late-60s with Gerstein's famous account. I also heard about the lampshades, crematoria, and soap. That so many accepted Gerstein at face-value for so long is telling.

Hannover · Postby **Hannover** » 2 decades 3 months ago (Sun Feb 16, 2003 1:09 pm)

The German govt. in 1955 mandated that their schools teach the Gerstein "confessions" (Dokumentation zur Massen-Vergasung, Bonn, 1955).

As stated, Raoul Hilberg, prominent 'holocau$t historian' cites Gerstein SIX times in his so called 'Destruction of the European Jews'....yawn.

You will see Gerstein referenced in many, if not most books and websites.

here's another gem from Gerstein:

He described a visit by Hitler to a concentration camp in Poland on June 6, 1942, which never took place.

- Hannover

Hebden · Postby **Hebden** » 2 decades 3 months ago (Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:00 am)

Hannover wrote:The German govt. in 1955 mandated that their schools teach the Gerstein "confessions" (Dokumentation zur Massen-Vergasung, Bonn, 1955).

As stated, Raoul Hilberg, prominent 'holocau$t historian' cites Gerstein SIX times in his so called 'Destruction of the European Jews'....yawn.

You will see Gerstein referenced in many, if not most books and websites.

here's another gem from Gerstein:

He described a visit by Hitler to a concentration camp in Poland on June 6, 1942, which never took place.

- Hannover

He did not describe a visit by Mr. Hitler, he reported one as told to him by Mr. Globocnik. The date was supposedly the 15th of August, not the 6th of June. Mr. Golobcnik said that the Fuhrer had visited 'here' - possibly referring to Lublin itself and not Belzec, which, as it happens, wasn't a concentration camp. You are at least correct that any such meeting never took place.

Given we know pretty much what is wrong with Mr. Gerstein's confessions, it could be worthwhile considering what may be right about them. For starters, did Mr. Gerstein's wartime visit to Poland (with or without Dr. Pfannenstiel) even happen?

Hannover · Postby **Hannover** » 2 decades 3 months ago (Mon Feb 17, 2003 12:27 pm)

'Described', 'reported'? Oh please.....he lied.
And what exactly did he get right that makes him a credible "witness"? Do tell.

- Hannover

Sailor · Postby **Sailor** » 2 decades 3 months ago (Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:13 pm)

Hebden wrote:He did not describe a visit by Mr. Hitler, he reported one as told to him by Mr. Globocnik.

What's the difference?

Scott · Postby **Scott** » 2 decades 3 months ago (Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:37 am)

Sailor wrote:
Hebden wrote:He did not describe a visit by Mr. Hitler, he reported one as told to him by Mr. Globocnik.

What's the difference?

Globo could have easily been hyperbolizing to impress his visitors about his own importance, in which case the double-hearsay doesn't tell us much on Gerstein's credibility.

Scott · Postby **Scott** » 2 decades 3 months ago (Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:44 am)

Hebden wrote:Given we know pretty much what is wrong with Mr. Gerstein's confessions, it could be worthwhile considering what may be right about them. For starters, did Mr. Gerstein's wartime visit to Poland (with or without Dr. Pfannenstiel) even happen?

I think he is credible in that he was a sanitation engineer, and the visit with Pfannenstiel seems entirely possible, although I think both lied about having seen a gassing. I also think that Gerstein is correct that the two camps Belzec and Treblinka had diesel engines, but that they were electrical generators. Pfannenstiel would be another guy I would really like to cross-examine. He says the corpses were blue, which as a world-class pathologist he would have surely have known that carbon monoxide poisoning turns bodies cherry-red. And mining-engineer Gerstein would surely have known that diesel engines don't generate much carbon monoxide either. Curious.