Manufacturing 'historical facts'

[Hebden]

It is, we believe, instructive to compare Mr. Irving's interpretation of events with that of Mr. Christopher Browning, to be found in his 2000 book Nazi Policy, Jewish Workers, German Killers.

Here we have the opinions of one semi-exterminationist and one full-blown fanatic exterminationist. Both base their believes on interpretations and speculations.

Of course I have my own opinion, which differs from both somewhat.

Feel free to share it.

Anyway:

Irving: The different roles of the SS, the army, and Hitler’s headquarters in this massacre are now well documented. The 1,035 German Jews, expelled from Berlin by train, had arrived outside Riga that morning in sub-zero temperatures, and they were shot out of hand even before the trucks loaded with four thousand Jews from Riga arrived and met the same fate.

Which documents is Irving referring to? I thought, that the instructions were not to execute these people. And now this means that they were to be shot?

Mr. Irving has helpfully reproduced some of the crucial documents at his website:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/Note301141.html

[Sailor]

Mr. Irving has helpfully reproduced some of the crucial documents at his website:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/Note301141.html

I assume the reference is
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/decodes_RFSS011241.html

I have read this many times.

Where exactly does it say that SS Obergruppenführer JECKELN was to shoot all those Jews?

It seems to me that Irving has a lifely imagination!

[Moderator]

Hebden, there is a definite lack of response by you to direct queries about your posts. Respond to them or leave the thread. Please see posted guidelines.

Thanks, Moderator

[Moderator]

Hebden,

As well, you seem to want to change the subject of this thread. This maneuver has been noted by posters, reading the thread will validate my point.

You are encouraged to start new threads on any related topic that you wish; in fact, that was suggested to you within this thread. Changing the subject of a thread is a 'no-no' per posted guidelines.

In the hopes of facilitating new threads I have locked this one.

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