quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' / WRONG

[Hektor]

Assume final solution means "extermination".
There was talk about a final solution.
That proves the Nazis did gas six million Jews.

That's how it goes and its essentially semantic fraud they are committing.

A very anachronistic assumption (and a conspiracy theory). That Zionist term had been noticed and appropriated by the Nazis several years before they allegedly decided to kill all the Jews (i.e. during the last months of 1941, orthodox/exterminationist/antirevisionist historians say).
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That seems to be lost on many. Lots of the NS-jargon actually was of Jewish origin. In this case Zionist.
And the Newspaper articles should be in a compendium... out of the memory hole.

And well, Exterminationists also 'revise history'... But they can't let go the paradigm and try to salvage the Myth as far as possible.


The debates and news around the 'Jewish Question' at the time are ignored today, because they conflict with the narrative:

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[hermod]

A very anachronistic assumption (and a conspiracy theory). That Zionist term had been noticed and appropriated by the Nazis several years before they allegedly decided to kill all the Jews (i.e. during the last months of 1941, orthodox/exterminationist/antirevisionist historians say).
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That seems to be lost on many. Lots of the NS-jargon actually was of Jewish origin. In this case Zionist.

I can't blame them for that. Mainstream mass media and academia carefully conceal the Zionist origin of "the final solution of the Jewish question/problem" for only too obvious reasons. See the wikipedia link below. As misleading as possible. A lie by omission is still a lie, isn't it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution

And the Newspaper articles should be in a compendium... out of the memory hole.

Perhaps a specific thread on this forum, with all the relevant pics directly uploaded on this website, would be a good idea. You opinion on that?

And well, Exterminationists also 'revise history'... But they can't let go the paradigm and try to salvage the Myth as far as possible.

The debates and news around the 'Jewish Question' at the time are ignored today, because they conflict with the narrative:

That's true. Without the sinister/mass-murderous [alleged] decoding of the term "final solution of the Jewish problem," Holohoax storytellers lose a huge asset for their Zio-Globalist fraud and they know it.

[Hektor]

There would be various themes that can be followed in the Newspapers / press releases.
One example would be the calls for boycotts. Another one early atrocity propaganda.

[Slobomoto]

Black rabbit used to have a blog. He had almost daily old newspaper discoveries. He did do much. Unfortunately he removed his blog, or I cannot access It anymore. It was my every day delight to see what new had he discovered. He had good metodology for research. I dont know how, but he did. If anyone is in contact might ask him about old news articles talking about "final solution".

[Hektor]

I recall something in this regard. Perhaps first establish a 'cloud' with articles and data? And then work through it to systematize it for presentation.

That's a piece of work of course. But it is something that may turn out useful in the future. After all, we'd like to first and foremost reach those with an intellectual interest in the matter.

Back to the issue at hand:
"Nazis Never Denied The Holocaust"?... More like Causties never investigated the matter with intellectual honesty.

The standard answer by former NS was virtually always that they didn't know about any 'extermination program' that they only heard about this after WW2. And that's also the findings of American researchers during the late 1940s.

So they didn't "Deny the Holocaust"... Those 'Nazis' were simply honest that they did not know and it is impossible to know that an allegation is untrue only on face value. It's kind of like saying "No Researcher ever denied Ufo landings from Alpha Centauri"... They'd probably would say that they simply did not know about this. Especially, if they don't want to offend ardent enthusiasts on the matter. In other words the No-Nazi-Denied argument is abusing the politeness and reasonability of those people... And it's turned into the opposite of what they were actually saying.

[hermod]

Back to the issue at hand:
"Nazis Never Denied The Holocaust"?... More like Causties never investigated the matter with intellectual honesty.

The standard answer by former NS was virtually always that they didn't know about any 'extermination program' that they only heard about this after WW2.

Just like most of the Iraqis only heard about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and involvement in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center in New York after the American military victory over Saddam Hussein's army in 2003...

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[hermod]

Black rabbit used to have a blog. He had almost daily old newspaper discoveries. He did do much. Unfortunately he removed his blog, or I cannot access It anymore. It was my every day delight to see what new had he discovered. He had good metodology for research. I dont know how, but he did. If anyone is in contact might ask him about old news articles talking about "final solution".

The Black Rabbit of Inlé was kicked out of Holocaust research (very probably bullied into submission and silence by Deborah Lipstadt & Jonathan Greenblatt's Zionist Forces of Obscurantism) at least 5 years ago.

[Hektor]

Back to the issue at hand:
"Nazis Never Denied The Holocaust"?... More like Causties never investigated the matter with intellectual honesty.

The standard answer by former NS was virtually always that they didn't know about any 'extermination program' that they only heard about this after WW2.

Just like most of the Iraqis only heard about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and involvement in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center in New York after the American military victory over Saddam Hussein's army in 2003...
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A top secret weapons program can be concealed more easily than mass killing people at several concentrated points within your area of control. Especially when those concentrated points are in the middle of industrial centers as well as next to busy communication and transport lines.
Then it gets virtually impossible. And Jews in camps did still communicate with the outside world, after all there was even a post office in Auschwitz.

[hermod]

Back to the issue at hand:
"Nazis Never Denied The Holocaust"?... More like Causties never investigated the matter with intellectual honesty.

The standard answer by former NS was virtually always that they didn't know about any 'extermination program' that they only heard about this after WW2.

Just like most of the Iraqis only heard about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and involvement in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center in New York after the American military victory over Saddam Hussein's army in 2003...
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A top secret weapons program can be concealed more easily than mass killing people at several concentrated points within your area of control. Especially when those concentrated points are in the middle of industrial centers as well as next to busy communication and transport lines.
Then it gets virtually impossible. And Jews in camps did still communicate with the outside world, after all there was even a post office in Auschwitz.

Especially a nonexistent one made up and told for war propaganda purposes!
I can see a pattern here...

American leaders and opinion-makers lie every time America goes to war, but most democratic lemmings get caught each time and can't imagine for a second that WWII narrative might be a compilation of gross lies.

[Hektor]

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Especially a nonexistent one made up and told for war propaganda purposes!
I can see a pattern here...

American leaders and opinion-makers lie every time America goes to war, but most democratic lemmings get caught each time and can't imagine for a second that WWII narrative might be a compilation of gross lies.

Where did all the secret weapons go, if Saddam did not hide them?

[hermod]

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Especially a nonexistent one made up and told for war propaganda purposes!
I can see a pattern here...

American leaders and opinion-makers lie every time America goes to war, but most democratic lemmings get caught each time and can't imagine for a second that WWII narrative might be a compilation of gross lies.

Where did all the secret weapons go, if Saddam did not hide them?

An uncounterable argument. Those secret weapons were incinerated by Muhammad Blobel before the truth-loving Anglo-American Great Liberators of the Iraqi people marched in and documented that "fact of common knowledge" with shocking pictures of skinny children starved by the U.S. embargo on Iraq. Blobel freely confessed it at Saddam's trial. Saddam's-WMDs deniers are paranoid haters. Only a mad conspiracy theorist could possibly disbelieve a fact as highly documented as that one.

[Hektor]

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An uncounterable argument. Those secret weapons were incinerated by Muhammad Blobel before the truth-loving Anglo-American Great Liberators of the Iraqi people marched in and documented that "fact of common knowledge" with shocking pictures of skinny children starved by the U.S. embargo on Iraq. Blobel freely confessed it at Saddam's trial. Saddam's-WMDs deniers are paranoid haters. Only a mad conspiracy theorist could possibly disbelieve a fact as highly documented as that one.

I think the post Gulf-War narrative was that there were some chemicals and chemical processing plants in Iraq and that somehow was proof that Saddam wanted to engage in chemical warfare. People lost interest in this over time, though. The Gulf-War is 'old news' and at the moment its the Russo-Ukrainian war that is the 'big issue'... Two sides both fighting "Nazis" and "another Hitler"....Well, and there is also some atrocity propaganda being used.

Those in the West calling for "War against Russia" are/were also the most ardent Antifascists as well. And of course staunch pacifists as long as it was about armaments against a potential Soviet aggression against the Western Block.

[hermod]

I think the post Gulf-War narrative was that there were some chemicals and chemical processing plants in Iraq and that somehow was proof that Saddam wanted to engage in chemical warfare. People lost interest in this over time, though. The Gulf-War is 'old news' and at the moment its the Russo-Ukrainian war that is the 'big issue'... Two sides both fighting "Nazis" and "another Hitler"....Well, and there is also some atrocity propaganda being used.

Those in the West calling for "War against Russia" are/were also the most ardent Antifascists as well. And of course staunch pacifists as long as it was about armaments against a potential Soviet aggression against the Western Block.

I think it was more the usual postwar semi-admission of damage control, which can be summarized as follows: "We didn't lie. We just made a mistake and were misled by some erroneous intelligence. Oops. Sorry for that one. Won't happen again (until next time)."

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That's because the Gulf Wars are old news that they can be used to expose the propaganda lies of Western plutocracies during wars. Such a thing can't be done with the current Ukraine-Russia war. Too emotionally-charged and politically-polarizing. The West's war propaganda lies can be mentioned only when it's too late to change anything in the real world.

[Hektor]

I think the post Gulf-.... Two sides both fighting "Nazis" and "another Hitler"....Well, and there is also some atrocity propaganda being used.

Those in the West calling for "War against Russia" are/were also the most ardent Antifascists as well. And of course staunch pacifists as long as it was about armaments against a potential Soviet aggression against the Western Block.

I think it was more the usual postwar semi-admission of damage control, which can be summarized as follows: "We didn't lie. We just made a mistake and were misled by some erroneous intelligence. Oops. Sorry for that one. Won't happen again (until next time)."

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That's because the Gulf Wars iare old news that they can be used to expose the propaganda lie of Western plutocracies during wars. Such a thing can't be done with the current Ukraine-Russia war. Too emotionally-charged and politically-polarizing. The West's war propaganda lies can be mentioned only when it's too late to change anything in the real world.

Plausible deniability. Pick up pieces of information and then claim that they suggest something that it actually doesn't on sober look. If it turns out to be the 'false conclusion'... step away from, say you made a mistake... But never state clearly that your accusation was false.

It's quite similar with the Holocaust... they entered lots of 'facts' that are benign on their own, but can be used to create the impression of a 'grand conspiracy' of something monstrous.

[hermod]

Plausible deniability. Pick up pieces of information and then claim that they suggest something that it actually doesn't on sober look. If it turns out to be the 'false conclusion'... step away from, say you made a mistake... But never state clearly that your accusation was false.

It's quite similar with the Holocaust... they entered lots of 'facts' that are benign on their own, but can be used to create the impression of a 'grand conspiracy' of something monstrous.

Western leaders can't assess the reliability of intelligence as soon as it's good for Israel.
(At least, they can assess what is good and what is bad for their own career.)

Being portrayed as complete morons fooled by gross lies is no problem to them as long as it makes the AIPAC pleased by their acting performance.