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!! 'The Rudolf Report' on alleged gas chambers now free !!

Postby Hannover » 2 decades 3 months ago (Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:23 pm)

Now available for free download in honor of Ernst Zundel:

- The Rudolf Report -
Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz

here:

http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html

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Re: !! 'The Rudolf Report' on alleged gas chambers now free

Postby Hebden » 2 decades 3 months ago (Fri Feb 14, 2003 8:06 pm)

Hannover wrote:Now available for free download in honor of Ernst Zundel:

- The Rudolf Report -
Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz

here:

http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html

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Working our way through the report, we found this interesting facet:

At this point, I would like to introduce a witness who contacted David Irving by e-mail after conclusion of Mr. Irving's legal proceedings against Deborah Lipstadt in May 2000. He is an engineer named Barford; his colleagues are assisting in the conservation and restoration of the camp for the Auschwitz Museum administration. He informed David Irving that, during his trial, investigations were made in complete secrecy at Auschwitz with regards to the mystery of the holes, and then remarked:

"[W]hat happened to their [the Auschwitz Museum's] tests on the roof of Crema II mentioned in the attachment. Did they find the Zyklon B holes or not? Did they report those results to Lipstadt's lawyers, and when! [...]

As you can guess, despite my belief that you and the Revisionists are wrong, and despite spending half an hour examining the collapsed roof of the underground gas chamber of crematorium II from different angles, I found no evidence of the four holes that the eye-witnesses say were there [...].

Secondly several areas of the slabs are covered in small rubble from an outer layer of concrete which was fractured by the blast. Now I would have expected these fragments to have fallen through the holes, if they were there, into the void beneath. [...]

I remain puzzled by the lack of physical evidence for these holes."


Mr. Borford's communication appears to bear out the veracity of The Times article of April 12 2000 which also claimed that a survey of the roof had been undertaken during the trial.

The libel trial had a direct effect on the Auschwitz camp where curators started to search for crematorium gas inlets to refute Mr Irving's courtroom claim that none could be seen. The results of the search are not yet known.


http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/trial2/Times/120400h.html

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Postby neugierig » 2 decades 3 months ago (Sat Feb 15, 2003 11:59 am)

The fact that they are finally looking for the holes is, IMHO, significant.

Numerous eyewitnesses have discribed them, size and location, so one would assume they just have to go there and point them out. But no, they are 'looking' for them and get all exited when they think they found one, as Masdal (sp?) did. This is very damaging for the believers, no matter what kind of spin they put on it. :wink:

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Postby grapple » 2 decades 3 months ago (Sat Feb 15, 2003 4:10 pm)

Thank you to those who have provided this report free of charge

I am still reading the report in depth, but after my first quick reading a couple of paragraphs on page 148 caught my eye which seem to be good examples of the constantly changing Holocaust. That is of the Holocaust promoters continuing revision of the Holocaust from once prominent places to distant corners of the Holocaust world.



Page 148 quote

“Considering these facts, it can not really come as a surprise that finally even the mainstream historians and media are taking notice of them: In May 2002, Fritjof Meyer, a senior editor at Germany’s largest, left-wing weekly magazine Der Spiegel, stated in an article that documents and witness statements regarding the alleged gas chambers in the crematoria II and III of Birkenau

“rather indicate that attempts were made in March and April of 1943 to use the mortuary cellars for mass murder in the early summer of 1943. Apparently, the tests were not successful […] The actually committed
genocide probably took place mainly in the two converted farmhouses outside of the camp.”312

In other words: there is a tendency to abandon those locations which Prof. Dr. R. van Pelt called “the absolute center” in the “geography of atrocities” (see page 91), or even the Birkenau crematoria altogether, since, according to Meyer the genocide is now supposed to have taken place mainly in those ominous farmhouses or bunkers of which we possess hardly any documentary evidence. Following Meyer, the final destruction of the corpses of the alleged victims of mass murder is now supposed to have happened almost exclusively by means of open-air incinerations in deep pits. However, all claims made regarding the alleged open-air incineration of corpses in deep pits are obviously untrue because no traces of such incinerations can be found on contemporary air-photos, and because the high water table in Birkenau would have prevented the maintenance of fires in deep pits.”

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While growing up I was told that there was overwhelming physical evidence for the Holocaust. This included gas chambers at the death camps of Buchenwald and Dachau:, human soap, lampshades and Auschwitz where industrial highly efficient killing machine that killed four million was located.

However as time has gone on the Holocaust has changed, Buchenwald and Dachau: are no longer death camps. Auschwitz now has less than one sixth of the Holocaust dead. As for physical evidence it is slowing being replace by documents and eyewitness testimony.

At Auschwitz the supposed hard evidence from crematoria I, II, III for which there is some physical evidence is being replace by stories from crematoria IV, V and Bunker I and II. Crematoria IV and V are at least known to have existed, Bunkers I and II are only recorded in stories. While in the Holocaust story as a whole, it has moved from well known locations and at least a pretense of physical evidence to distant locations in Eastern Europe based soly on stories and copies of copies of documents.

As to the highly efficient planned killing machine with Zyklon B and industrial incinerators, that too has changed. It is now being replaced with shooting and diesel exhaust, wait that has been changed too, now its becoming shooting and gasoline exhaust. While the industrial incinerators are being replaced with that efficient German method, burying bodies, digging the rotting corpses up months later and burning them using railroad ties in open pits. Even the planning has gone away, since according to the Holocaust promoters every German commander did the crime differently.

I wonder what the Holocaust story will be in twenty years?

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Postby neugierig » 2 decades 3 months ago (Sun Feb 16, 2003 6:33 pm)

I find this Fritjof Meyer thing interesting. He writes that his research is based on new documents and the lower numbers bring the dimensions of the atrocity into the realm of possibility. The True Believers dismiss him,...’he doesn't know what he is talking about..’. I think he does. He claims the gassings were done in two farmhouses instead of the Leichenkeller. Why not? If the Believers accept this, they won’t have to look for the holes anymore, As well, no more dispute over cyanide residue on walls and ceilings and over the problem of members of the Sonderkommando entering the gas chamber 1/2 hr. after the pellets have been introduced. Instead we have ‘brand new’ buildings. No more pesky remains which can be examined. We could invent a new ventilation system that would allow people to enter the rooms in 1/2 hr. and so on. The reduction of numbers, again? Piece of cake. When they came down from 4 Million to around one Million, it is explained as a mere oversight, something we knew all along just didn’t get around to correcting it, a miscalculation. Now another 1/2 million less? No problem, it just shows the meticulous research that is being done. The 6 Million? I don’t think we have found all the Einsatzgruppen reports yet. There are possibilities here.

But then, there are no problems, it's just idiots like me that keep asking stupid questions, when everything is crytal clear. :oops:

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