Sonderkommando dismantling gas chamber equipment

[bane7]

Me and an individual were discussing the alleged gas chambers and how off gassings could’ve been done by removing pellets from the supposed introduction columns. There’s obviously no wire mesh in any of the rubble of these alleged homicidal gas chambers. He said it was because the sonderkommando dismantled the gas chamber equipment. What are your thoughts on this?

[Lamprecht]

There is no documentary or physical evidence that these alleged wire mesh columns ever existed. The "eyewitness" descriptions of them are contradictory. Search the forum for "Kula columns" that is what they're called.

[bane7]

Ok thank you I will check that out right now. I’m assuming the guy was referring to some “testimony” from a sonderkommando. Have you ever heard of that?

[bane7]

Thank you I will check that out! I’m assuming the guy was referring to some “testimony” from the sonderkommando. Do you recall ever hearing about something of them dismantling the alleged gas chamber equipment.

[hermod]

What are your thoughts on this?

Groundless, super secret, supposed to explain why physical evidence is missing... Hmmm, sounds so conspiratorial.

He or she could have said the very same thing about the lack of extraterrestrial spaceships at Area 51.

[Marley775]

There are no achors in the ceiling of the morgue 1 of Krema II. Such achors would have been necessary to hold the alleged wire mesh columns.

[Lamprecht]

Thank you I will check that out! I’m assuming the guy was referring to some “testimony” from the sonderkommando. Do you recall ever hearing about something of them dismantling the alleged gas chamber equipment.

Obviously the story must be that they were destroyed, since the alleged columns can not be shown to ever have existed, and the alleged homicidal gas chamber rooms for Kremas 2 and 3 are still around (with the roofs caved in). If you inspect the ruins of these buildings, there is no place visible that these alleged wire mesh columns could have attached to the floor or ceiling.

Allegedly on 27 November 1944, Himmler ordered these buildings to be destroyed. That is the claim, but this order has also never been shown to exist. See:

Alleged Himmler [October?] 1944 order to stop gassing at Auschwitz
viewtopic.php?t=12722

'Himmler order to stop the gassing of the Jews', another lie debunked, another non-existent 'order'
viewtopic.php?t=12129

As for the Kula columns themselves, I would suggest the following:

viewtopic.php?t=14665&hilit=kula#p105773

Germar Rudolf demolishes the alleged Zyklon-B 'Kula Columns'
viewtopic.php?t=10949

Kula himself was not a member of the Sonderkommando so it would have had to be some other testimony, but they would have by default said that these things were destroyed (except those that claimed the Zyklon-B pellets were thrown directly in).

Ultimately, if someone tells a story about something ridiculous, and then follows it up with "and then all of the evidence was destroyed" they're probably not telling the truth.

[hermod]

Perhaps the right place to mention the fact that going from the high tech apparatus of the [real] German delousing gas chambers to the absurd Kula Columns of the [fictitious] German homicidal gas chambers would have been a technological nonsense. A huge step backwards. Science doesn't work that way...

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[Merlin300]

There are no achors in the ceiling of the morgue 1 of Krema II. Such achors would have been necessary to hold the alleged wire mesh columns.

Neither have any fittings been found on the floor. There are no holes for fittings any where. Remember that the wire mesh columns were
supposed to be inside the morgue room with 1,000 terrified people rushing to the door crushing against the wire.


Also remember that, From Pressac Technique and Operation
The ventilation system of Leichenkeller 1 had initially been designed for a morgue, with the fresh air entering near the ceiling and the cold unhealthy air being drawing out near the floor. Its use as a gas chamber really required the reverse situation, with fresh air coming in near the floor and warm air saturated with hydrocyanic gas being drawn out near the ceiling.. pg 224.

As has been pointed out, in any gassing of people, the bodies would block the extraction vents.
The hot air ventilation system designed to keep bodies from freezing in the winter was a fragile wooden duct system hung from
wooden blocks set into the poured in place concrete ceiling

[HeiligeSturm]

Me and an individual were discussing the alleged gas chambers and how off gassings could’ve been done by removing pellets from the supposed introduction columns.

This is what is claimed (emphasis added):
"Michal Kula, a prisoner at Auschwitz-Birkenau, worked in the metal workshop where he helped build the wire-mesh introduction columns. He described the wire-mesh introduction columns in detail. Each column was made of three wire screens nested one within the other. The core of the inner column contained a collection basket for the used pellets so they could be lifted back to the roof for disposal."
Robert Jan van Pelt, The Van Pelt Report (“IV Attestations, 1945-46”) at https://www.hdot.org


Hermod already gave a good answer:

Perhaps the right place to mention the fact that going from the high tech apparatus of the [real] German delousing gas chambers to the absurd Kula Columns of the [fictitious] German homicidal gas chambers would have been a technological nonsense. A huge step backwards. Science doesn't work that way...

A huge step backwards, indeed.
In War and Remembrance miniseries (Episode 11) they showed how SS threw the whole Zyklon B cans down to these columns.

[hermod]

Also remember that, From Pressac Technique and Operation
The ventilation system of Leichenkeller 1 had initially been designed for a morgue, with the fresh air entering near the ceiling and the cold unhealthy air being drawing out near the floor. Its use as a gas chamber really required the reverse situation, with fresh air coming in near the floor and warm air saturated with hydrocyanic gas being drawn out near the ceiling.. pg 224.

As has been pointed out, in any gassing of people, the bodies would block the extraction vents.
The hot air ventilation system designed to keep bodies from freezing in the winter was a fragile wooden duct system hung from
wooden blocks set into the poured in place concrete ceiling

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[bane7]

@hermod

He states that the reasoning behind why the Kula columns were built technologically backwards were because it was a “last minute” change to repurpose the morgues into gas chambers. He apparently details it a footnote in which he provided a link for: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... l.html?m=1

As for the fittings and anchors reasoning provided by the other user(s) he notes that it didn’t have to be present being that it was all dismantled so even the fittings and anchors were dismantled as well.

I still don’t know where this “dismantling” rhetoric or reasoning comes from I’ve personally never heard of it. Now I ended up doing a little digging and found that it might’ve came from this of which was discussed in an earlier thread on this very forum: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=852&p=5024&hilit=Dismantle+gas+chamber+equipment#p5024

“ Photo 9 details Nazi efforts to dismantle the technical equipment at Gas Chambers and Crematoria II and III. We can trace the dismantling of the special security fencing around these installations, the removal of the roofs and the underground dressing rooms, the dismantling of the chimneys, and the filling of the pit to the rear of Gas Chamber and Crematorium III. As far as we know, this is a unique photo of that activity.”

I’d love to hear to your thoughts! Thanks!