Taubner Verdict - Proof of extermination?

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Re: Taubner Verdict - Proof of extermination?

Postby Hektor » 2 weeks 5 days ago (Sun May 21, 2023 5:54 pm)

fireofice wrote:The German word "vernichtet" is translated as "exterminate" here, but it usually means "to destroy; to ruin; to wreck".

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vernichten

So "extermination" seems to be a mistranslation. Saying that the Jews have to be "destroyed" or "ruined" or "wrecked" doesn't really give the impression that they must all be killed down to the last Jew. Of course, killing some Jews would indeed be a part of this process of "ruining" them. And that the judge doesn't fell pity for the Jews killed is not indicative of an extermination plan either.


In German military language (von Clausewitz) 'Vernichten' means to disable capability. If you destroy/vernichtet an army, you disable it's ability to do you any further harm. And yes, that can include killing the soldiers or taking them prisoner. Such umbrella terms are of course useful in giving them meanings they not necessarily have.

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Re: Taubner Verdict - Proof of extermination?

Postby hermod » 2 weeks 5 days ago (Sun May 21, 2023 9:05 pm)

fireofice wrote:The German word "vernichtet" is translated as "exterminate" here, but it usually means "to destroy; to ruin; to wreck".

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vernichten

So "extermination" seems to be a mistranslation. Saying that the Jews have to be "destroyed" or "ruined" or "wrecked" doesn't really give the impression that they must all be killed down to the last Jew. Of course, killing some Jews would indeed be a part of this process of "ruining" them. And that the judge doesn't feel pity for the Jews killed is not indicative of an extermination plan either.


Often, the 2023 meaning of a word is of little use in a debate on WWII documents.

I'm pretty sure your grandma doesn't know what you're talking about when you say "my junk." :wink:
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925


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