Death records for Majdanek?
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Death records for Majdanek?
I have found the Auschwitz Death records pretty easily
https://www.historiography-project.com/ ... hbooks.php
From 41-45. I can't find the other ones? Does anyone have it? Thanks!
https://www.historiography-project.com/ ... hbooks.php
From 41-45. I can't find the other ones? Does anyone have it? Thanks!
Re: Death records for Majdanek?
Check the bottom of this post: viewtopic.php?t=10198#p93109
The death rate at Majdanek was especially high, due to disease, compared to other concentration camps for reasons described in the book linked above.
Lamprecht wrote:On the Revision of the Number of Victims at Majdanek
https://codoh.com/library/document/965/Juergen Graf wrote:The number of revisionist Carlo Mattogno: 42,200 victims (1998)
In the summer of 1997, I conducted together with the Italian scholar Carlo Mattogno a research trip through Eastern Europe, starting in Lublin. Based on documents discovered in the archives of the Majdanek Memorial and of the Lublin Voivodship, on the official Polish literature on Majdanek, and on other sources, upon our return we published a book entitled KL Majdanek. Eine historische und technische Studie (Concentration Camp Majdanek: an Historical and Technical Inquiry) in German in 1998 and in English five years later, whose ambitious claim it was that of being the first ever work written about the Lublin Camp that satisfies scientific requirements.[11] In the book's fourth chapter the number of victims was calculated by Mattogno, who, in the light of the incomplete nature of the documentation, could naturally make no claim to absolutely exact figures. His numbers are given below, broken down by years:
1941 (October – December): about 700
1942: 17,244
1943: 22,339
1944 (January- July): about 1,900
Total: about 42,200
Mattogno made no attempt to determine the percentage of Jewish prisoners among his calculated 42,200 deaths
Also:
Concentration camp Majdanek, A historical and technical study (chapter 4: Mortality)
PDF: http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/05-ccm.pdf
TXT: https://archive.is/zT3e4#selection-2131 ... 131.175095
The death rate at Majdanek was especially high, due to disease, compared to other concentration camps for reasons described in the book linked above.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...
— Herbert Spencer
NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...
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Re: Death records for Majdanek?
So from the Revisionist PoV, how many died TOTAL in the "holocaust"
And are these based on records of the camps death?
And are these based on records of the camps death?
Lamprecht wrote:Check the bottom of this post: viewtopic.php?t=10198#p93109Lamprecht wrote:On the Revision of the Number of Victims at Majdanek
https://codoh.com/library/document/965/Juergen Graf wrote:The number of revisionist Carlo Mattogno: 42,200 victims (1998)
In the summer of 1997, I conducted together with the Italian scholar Carlo Mattogno a research trip through Eastern Europe, starting in Lublin. Based on documents discovered in the archives of the Majdanek Memorial and of the Lublin Voivodship, on the official Polish literature on Majdanek, and on other sources, upon our return we published a book entitled KL Majdanek. Eine historische und technische Studie (Concentration Camp Majdanek: an Historical and Technical Inquiry) in German in 1998 and in English five years later, whose ambitious claim it was that of being the first ever work written about the Lublin Camp that satisfies scientific requirements.[11] In the book's fourth chapter the number of victims was calculated by Mattogno, who, in the light of the incomplete nature of the documentation, could naturally make no claim to absolutely exact figures. His numbers are given below, broken down by years:
1941 (October – December): about 700
1942: 17,244
1943: 22,339
1944 (January- July): about 1,900
Total: about 42,200
Mattogno made no attempt to determine the percentage of Jewish prisoners among his calculated 42,200 deaths
Also:
Concentration camp Majdanek, A historical and technical study (chapter 4: Mortality)
PDF: http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/05-ccm.pdf
TXT: https://archive.is/zT3e4#selection-2131 ... 131.175095
The death rate at Majdanek was especially high, due to disease, compared to other concentration camps for reasons described in the book linked above.
Re: Death records for Majdanek?
AxisHistory2006 wrote:So from the Revisionist PoV, how many died TOTAL in the "holocaust"
And are these based on records of the camps death?
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That's easy. NOBODY died in the Holocaust, because the whole concept is a deceitful lie.
That does not mean that there were no increased mortality figures for people in detention, Jews, people in operational areas, etc. That's not what any Revisionist will assert. That said, there were also lots of increased mortality figures for other population groups. Question is of course one of causality and that's where it can get pretty complicated. The deceivers did know this, of course. So they induced a number of sweeping statements that there was an NS-Policy to kill all Jews and/or "undesirables". An easy answer sounds more convincing to people than a elaborate, complicated one. But reality is more complicated than simplistic sloganizing. Educated, intelligent people should actually know this by heart. Especially those in History departments. But it seems when it is about NS or Hitler, they all like to make an exception.
Truth is that there were various causes of death among prisoners. Occasionally neglect by the administration may have played a role in this. But there was no intentional policy to kill Jews, because they were Jewish not even to kill Communists, Criminals or anybody else. And in fact the trial transcripts the Causties like to cite the verdicts of actually demonstrate that you could be Jewish *and* Communist and still the SS would take excellent care of your health at the expense of the German tax payer. Apparently those that ask deceptively "Are all the witnesses Lying" never bother to read the witness statements they believe prove the Holocaust thoroughly.
There is records from concentration camps, plenty of them. They may be incomplete. But on the other hand nobody really knows which of those documents are real or not. I presume most a real, though. If they ARE real, it doesn't look to good for the Holocaustian claims though.
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Re: Death records for Majdanek?
Worth also noting the great swindle of inclusivity in the numbers game. By that I mean the standard 6m jews added to which were the 5m 'others'. This was of course an invention by the great shekel counter himself Simon Wiesenthal. Now, I have no idea how many 'others' were supposed to have died camp by camp, and in this case Majdanek, but if you take one identifiable group and chart their claims after the fact and see how those claims fared, you'll find very little.
The group I am talking about is the Roma or Gypsy people who it is claimed suffered quite badly in the holocaust. They are of course an accepted people and have representation in many walks of life and the UN acknowledges them etc. BUT they haven't made a stink about compensation or recognition or power grabbing etc. This can only mean that they didn't lose many at all and were not a group targeted en masse.
The group I am talking about is the Roma or Gypsy people who it is claimed suffered quite badly in the holocaust. They are of course an accepted people and have representation in many walks of life and the UN acknowledges them etc. BUT they haven't made a stink about compensation or recognition or power grabbing etc. This can only mean that they didn't lose many at all and were not a group targeted en masse.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'
'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician
'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician
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Re: Death records for Majdanek?
Hektor wrote:AxisHistory2006 wrote:So from the Revisionist PoV, how many died TOTAL in the "holocaust"
And are these based on records of the camps death?
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That's easy. NOBODY died in the Holocaust, because the whole concept is a deceitful lie.
That does not mean that there were no increased mortality figures for people in detention, Jews, people in operational areas, etc. That's not what any Revisionist will assert. That said, there were also lots of increased mortality figures for other population groups. Question is of course one of causality and that's where it can get pretty complicated. The deceivers did know this, of course. So they induced a number of sweeping statements that there was an NS-Policy to kill all Jews and/or "undesirables". An easy answer sounds more convincing to people than a elaborate, complicated one. But reality is more complicated than simplistic sloganizing. Educated, intelligent people should actually know this by heart. Especially those in History departments. But it seems when it is about NS or Hitler, they all like to make an exception.
Truth is that there were various causes of death among prisoners. Occasionally neglect by the administration may have played a role in this. But there was no intentional policy to kill Jews, because they were Jewish not even to kill Communists, Criminals or anybody else. And in fact the trial transcripts the Causties like to cite the verdicts of actually demonstrate that you could be Jewish *and* Communist and still the SS would take excellent care of your health at the expense of the German tax payer. Apparently those that ask deceptively "Are all the witnesses Lying" never bother to read the witness statements they believe prove the Holocaust thoroughly.
There is records from concentration camps, plenty of them. They may be incomplete. But on the other hand nobody really knows which of those documents are real or not. I presume most a real, though. If they ARE real, it doesn't look to good for the Holocaustian claims though.
Ok, how many died in all the camps then, and what are the records/evidence for them? Yes, I know a Holocaust, by definition, did not happen.
Re: Death records for Majdanek?
AxisHistory2006 wrote:Hektor wrote:AxisHistory2006 wrote:So from the Revisionist PoV, how many died TOTAL in the "holocaust"
And are these based on records of the camps death?
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That's easy. NOBODY died in the Holocaust......to good for the Holocaustian claims though.
Ok, how many died in all the camps then, and what are the records/evidence for them? Yes, I know a Holocaust, by definition, did not happen.
With the given information that's not determinable. The best information is that "Standesamt" records for the areas of the camps. But those that have published seem to be incomplete. And one has to assume that what was published was actually correct original documents. I assume they are.
I confronted the people in Arolsen about this once to find out what is actually said on who and how many died in what way in the camps. The reaction was that the records are "abused by Holocaust Deniers" and that those that were gassed were simply not registered and hence got no records. That was however highly disingenuous by them. Because that won't publicly state that they don't have documentary evidence for anyone being 'gassed'. But of course they didn't want this to become 'public knowledge'. The public (which pays for their work) is not to be treated like grown ups that can decide for themselves based on objective information. They are to be kept in the belief that 'the Historians have it all figured out and they only say things they actually have evidence for.'
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