Is there a timeline for Auschwitz crematories?

[Slobomoto]

Would be nice to have timeline for the Crematories II-V.

When exactly did they broke down?
How long were they out of service?
Did they operate some of the time with diminished capacity?

I've searched here but there is no clear collection of timelines.

[Merlin300]

Yes, the Germans left a very clear documentary trail of the planning and building and retirement of the crematorium
The crematoria and morgues were planned in 1940.
KI were taken out of service in 1942
KIII, KIV, and KV retired in 1943

The best source of original documents is Jean Claude Pressac's Technique and Operation. Necessary for any student of the subject

https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0011.shtml

[Hektor]

Yes, the Germans left a very clear documentary trail of the planning and building and retirement of the crematorium
The crematoria and morgues were planned in 1940.
KI were taken out of service in 1942
KIII, KIV, and KV retired in 1943

The best source of original documents is Jean Claude Pressac's Technique and Operation. Necessary for any student of the subject
...

I think he wants a timeline for each of the crematoria. The key would be the times when they possibly could be operational and to what extent. So when did it go into operation, was this interrupted and when did operation of them stop.


"KIII, KIV, and KV retired in 1943"
Those and Krema II were finalized earlier in 1943. This would mean that they (except for Krema II) were potentially operating for less than a year. Subsequently that would mean there wasn't enough demand to keep all the Kremas operational.

This is important to determine what was the realistic maximum cremation capacity within the Auschwitz camp complex at the time.

Doesn't appear that the documentation does support the common assertions about Auschwitz. Yet the narrative is continued to be pushed. albeit more careful that prior to Revisionists publicly questioning the assertions.

[Slobomoto]

This is important to determine what was the realistic maximum cremation capacity within the Auschwitz camp complex at the time.

Doesn't appear that the documentation does support the common assertions about Auschwitz. Yet the narrative is continued to be pushed. albeit more careful that prior to Revisionists publicly questioning the assertions.

This is what I'm getting at. The clear timeline should be made in order call out believers. It's really hard to justify belief if the timeline doesn't match with the numbers. When they were making the 1.5 million and the 1440 a day at Krema II lie, they were operating in numerical absolutes. The ovens were running 24/7 etc. This of course is not true. There is no way burn 1440 bodies in 15 ovens a day. That would be 15min per body and that is impossible. But lets give that to them for the sake of argument. That would still not be enough if the ovens weren't running full capacity, 24/7, and never were in repair.

When I became intrested in revionism 18 years ago I didnt know the krematories were not running the whole war. But when I heard that they became operational only in summer/spring 1943 and running until end of 1944 I became completally convinced. I've just recently heard that half of the time the Crematories were out of order or working deminished capacity, and I think that is the final blow.

[Slobomoto]

Yes, the Germans left a very clear documentary trail of the planning and building and retirement of the crematorium
The crematoria and morgues were planned in 1940.
KI were taken out of service in 1942
KIII, KIV, and KV retired in 1943

The best source of original documents is Jean Claude Pressac's Technique and Operation.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0011.shtml

The only information I found was the starting and endin days of the crematories.

Where exactly are the down time mentioned? I couldnt find.

[Archie]

Check out section 8 (Operation of the Crematoria of Birkenau) of this Mattogno article (included in the book Dissecting the Holocaust). It’s exactly what you are looking for. Mattogno also has an extended three-volume work on the topic (Holocaust Handbooks #24) if you really want to dig into the weeds.

https://codoh.com/library/document/the- ... rkenau/en/

Kremas IV and V were both broken down more than they were in service.

[Slobomoto]

Check out section 8 (Operation of the Crematoria of Birkenau) of this Mattogno article (included in the book Dissecting the Holocaust). It’s exactly what you are looking for. Mattogno also has an extended three-volume work on the topic (Holocaust Handbooks #24) if you really want to dig into the weeds.

https://codoh.com/library/document/the- ... rkenau/en/

Kremas IV and V were both broken down more than they were in service.

Thanks! This was what I was looking for.

[Fred zz]

See "The Cremation furnaces of Auschwitz, Mattogno from about Page 213. Funny, I was reading it today

[Fred zz]

Here are two interesting attachments that may help.

[Hektor]

This is important to determine what was the realistic maximum cremation capacity within the Auschwitz camp complex at the time.

Doesn't appear that the documentation does support the common assertions about Auschwitz. Yet the narrative is continued to be pushed. albeit more careful that prior to Revisionists publicly questioning the assertions.

This is what I'm getting at. The clear timeline should be made in order call out believers. It's really hard to justify belief if the timeline doesn't match with the numbers. When they were making the 1.5 million and the 1440 a day at Krema II lie, they were operating in numerical absolutes. The ovens were running 24/7 etc. This of course is not true. There is no way burn 1440 bodies in 15 ovens a day. That would be 15min per body and that is impossible. But lets give that to them for the sake of argument. That would still not be enough if the ovens weren't running full capacity, 24/7, and never were in repair.

When I became intrested in revionism 18 years ago I didnt know the krematories were not running the whole war. But when I heard that they became operational only in summer/spring 1943 and running until end of 1944 I became completally convinced. I've just recently heard that half of the time the Crematories were out of order or working deminished capacity, and I think that is the final blow.

There is a feasible maximum for cremation. But it's unlikely that it would ever be reached. There is 'down times' that may be an issue. And well, what one needs to know would be the actual operational time. Than one could make a statement on how many people were cremated. That the cremation figures in line with the Holocaust Narrative are thumb sucked for propaganda purposes should actually be pretty clear to anyone. I don't think even most exterminationist historiographers do still believe in them. Of course they won't say that openly and loudly.. there is no public debate about this among them. Hence one can say that they are disingenuous about it.

[Fred zz]

I had an interesting encounter with someone called Judy with a PhD in Physics on Quora. The question was concerning the Birkenau Crematoria 2 and or 3
see attachment.

[Hektor]

I had an interesting encounter with someone called Judy with a PhD in Physics on Quora. The question was concerning the Birkenau Crematoria 2 and or 3
see attachment.

"I don't deal with those question, because my whole family was gassed in Auschwitz!"

Says a person with a recent phD in physics.

The "My family was gassed, thus the Holocaust is true" type of talking point is a slayer argumentoid. A debate stopper and a cop out to avoid people going there and investigating facts and arguments.

Those 3rd generation Holocaust survivor type of witnesses only have been told stories and now they can't handle, when this is questions. They are far more nervous about this, than people were in the 1950s or 1960s, when people were actually more invested in this. The thing was, virtually nobody was challenging them then and they were pre-occupied with other things then. Basically a 'reconstruction' period, when homes and industries were build. The subject was also avoided, because people had enough of the warphoria in the previous period. It only came up in the 1970s again. This time by Jewish Organisations and Neomarxists wanting to use this to drive their agenda.

Theodor Adorno's "Was bedeuted Aufarbeitung der Vergangenheit" (What does repossessing the past mean):
https://archive.org/details/adorno-was- ... gangenheit

Is applicable here. This of course intellectually on several levels, e.g. it is a form of gaslighting and it doesn't deal with an actual past. It is demonization posing as 'exorcism'... Just in a modern or postmodern cloak using psycho-therapeutic methods posing as 'dealing with the past'. For the Frankfurt School the motive should be clear. Not that they had any concrete vision of the future or concept of 'how things should be' or 'how people should act'... What they had was an urge to destroy the existing order and culture (in Germany, but also elsewhere)... And one way is to turn the younger generation against the older. Written in 1959.... This was dealing with late war and postwar babies that now were entering universities upon which they were confronted with leftist profs and student activist that kept an Antifascist card in their pocket. Although I think at that stage it wasn't that big of an issue. To problem is they still had grand parents that were a bit more knowledgeable.

If you check the Kupferman statements out then you can see that the methodological approach is flawed. She presupposes 'it' happened, so it must have been possible, practical and feasible... If they are pointed to this not being the case and not being the case, they will come up with a statement that 'the Nazis were irrational'... The proof for this will be that they 'gassed six million Jews"... Essentially the logic in their thinking is heavily garbled. Difficult to approach such people rationally. Especially in a group situation, where they don't want to look stupid or 'unemphatic'. On one on one base this is another matter. They are more ready to reason. So the optimal approach with people is dependent on the setting. The "Church of the Holocaust" setting is difficult. It's like standing up to a speaker during a meeting. Expectation is that everyone listens to the speaker and 'learn something'. This gives speaker a position of authority and an expectation that listeners have to be respectful and not question that authority. In a one on one setting you can point to problems piece by piece... But the issue is that this aspect of WW2 is rather complicated... Longer pre-history, various locations, various organizations being involved and then there is action and reaction playing a role. Deportations were essentially a response to the developments in the war and the unfolding situation. The camps were either transit or holding facilities to incorporate people into industries. In Auschwitz this were the Buna-works, Monowitz and other industries. The whole setting is incredibly unsuited for 'having an extermination camp' there. Too much contact with civilian workers, too much opportunity to observe.