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Mortimer wrote:Adolf Hitler addresses the German nation on radio after the July 1944 attempted assassination - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpCwuCzud-E He sounds fairly calm and collected considering that a bomb went off in his vicinity only hours earlier.
Mortimer wrote:The Valkyrie bomb plotters were in touch with the Office of Strategic Services (forerunner of the CIA) and other Allied officials. They were told that even if Hitler was killed or imprisoned the policy of Unconditional Surrender would still apply. The Valkyrie bomb plotters wanted to make a separate peace with the USA/UK but continue fighting the USSR. But Roosevelt and Churchill were the ones who insisted on Unconditional Surrender so their plan was doomed to fail. Yet they still went ahead. So the Valkyrie bomb plotters were not only traitors they were inept and delusional as well -
http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/ ... crime.html
adolf wrote:Motrimer:
3. I disagree with the assumption that: "If the German armed forces were in a better position militarily and able to hold out longer and inflict more casualties on the Allies then it's possible a negotiated peace might have been arranged instead of the unconditional surrender which Roosevelt and Churchill insisted on. ", for the simple fact that, regardless of Roosevelt and Churchill insistence on an unconditional German surrender, Hitler himself wasn't willing to negotiate peace. Even if the allies had promoted negotiations for peace, Hitler was not willing to consider such option. So, in no way was there going to be a negotiated peace.
Mortimer wrote:A new article from John Wear the author of Germany's War. It is related to Field Marshal Erwin Rommel and his relationship with Adolf Hitler. He was not involved in the plot to assassinate the German leader but was set up by General Hans Spiedel who lied and stated Rommel was one of the plotters who took part in the July 20 1944 bomb attack.
https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018/11/ ... ed-europe/
Hektor wrote:Mortimer wrote:A new article from John Wear the author of Germany's War. It is related to Field Marshal Erwin Rommel and his relationship with Adolf Hitler. He was not involved in the plot to assassinate the German leader but was set up by General Hans Spiedel who lied and stated Rommel was one of the plotters who took part in the July 20 1944 bomb attack.
https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018/11/ ... ed-europe/
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I guess you mean Hans Speidel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Speidel
Would have to look up how he was involved in framing Rommel, whose death is still a mystery in some aspects.
adolf wrote:Motrimer:
1. I did look at the link you referred to (The Worm in the Apple) and I am already familiar with some of the traitors mentioned there.
2. I agree that, both in theory and in practice, any help a traitor gives the enemy - betters the enemy's position.
My idea is however that, German traitors' help to the allies was negligible with respect the enemy's power to win the war.
I am still sure that, even without any help from those traitors, the allies would have still won the war. They were simply too many and too strong.
That is why, I concluded that the The Role of Treason In Germany's Defeat was in the vicinity of zero.
3. I disagree with the assumption that: "If the German armed forces were in a better position militarily and able to hold out longer and inflict more casualties on the Allies then it's possible a negotiated peace might have been arranged instead of the unconditional surrender which Roosevelt and Churchill insisted on. ", for the simple fact that, regardless of Roosevelt and Churchill insistence on an unconditional German surrender, Hitler himself wasn't willing to negotiate peace. Even if the allies had promoted negotiations for peace, Hitler was not willing to consider such option. So, in no way was there going to be a negotiated peace.
4. And what did it matter, if some or even many Germans continued to be communists? Firstly, such individuals likely realized well enough what would be their fate, had they been caught (by the Gestapo) aiding the enemy, which probably served as a deterring factor. Secondly, again, their ability / inability to help the enemy is negligible and the enemy would have likely won anyhow.
5. Goebbels' position in the government put him in the exact spot of power to communicate to the German population what he wanted them to read/hear/know. Telling the truth / the whole truth to the German people was never a guiding principle as far as he was concerned, we all know (e.g., the information released to the German people about the happenings of the night of the long knives and its consequences).
6. I thought this forum was to enable a debate platform, where people could express their opinions related to WWII. If all the forum's members here would have views similar to yours, then what's the point in the forum, "convincing the already convinced"?
7. The history channel does show at times pictures and documentary films with which its very hard to argue.
And, last point, Motrimer: I am curious, how is it that: when a position opposite to yours is supported by a written documentation (book, testimony, etc.) or even photos or films - you dismiss it as unacceptable, and insufficient evidence, and bring up reasons for its illegitimacy, however when you wish to support YOUR opinion about a certain subject, you bring a supporting documentation you claim to be legitimate and sufficient evidence?
Mortimer wrote:This reprint of an article from The Times makes the claim that Churchill authorised bribes worth millions of pounds to be paid to Spanish generals during World War 2. Franco wanted to join the war on the side of Germany but was repeatedly talked out of it by these traitors who were on the British payroll.
https://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/200 ... f-the-war/
Mortimer wrote:John Wear discusses the treason of Wilhelm Canaris. As head of the Abwehr he would have to be one of the worst if not THE worst of all the traitors to Germany.
http://www.wearswar.com/2022/02/18/wilh ... an-nation/
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