Dachau report

[cold beer]

Where can I find the report made by the US military which made the claim that Dachau had several gas chambers?

[Archie]

Document 159-L, IMT Vol 37, pg 605

Page 621 has a part about the "gas chamber."

https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Vol-XXXVII.pdf

Dr. Franz Blaha testified to gassings at Dachau as well.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/01-11-46.asp

Lastly, in the concentration camp film shown at Nuremberg there was a segment on the Dachau "gas chamber."

[cold beer]

Thank you for replying.
That's something I haven't seen before and what they claim doesn't agree with the autopsies.
The report I recall claimed there were 7 gas chambers at Dachau, the delousing chambers were claimed to be gas chambers

Blaha...

It was common practice to remove the skin from dead prisoners. I was commanded to do this on many occasions. Dr. Rascher and Dr. Wolter in particular asked for 'this human skin from human backs and chests. It was chemically treated and placed in the sun to dry. After that it was cut into various sizes for use as saddles, riding breeches, gloves, house slippers, and ladies' handbags. Tattooed skin was especially valued by SS men. Russians, Poles, and other inmates were used in this way, but it was forbidden to cut out the skin of a German. This skin had to be from healthy prisoners and free from defects. Sometimes we did not have enough bodies with good skin and Rascher would say, 'All right, you will get the bodies.'

[cold beer]

I located the report I was trying to find...
https://archive.org/details/dachau00unse/page/n1/mode/2up

The number of gas chambers mentioned in the report is actually 5 on page 28 of the report and 6 on page 33, not 7.

[Archie]

In the crematorium I believe there were four disinfestation chambers and the shower room. That's probably how they wound up with five gas chambers.

This well-known photo was originally captioned as being an execution chamber.

[cold beer]

In the crematorium I believe there were four disinfestation chambers and the shower room. That's probably how they wound up with five gas chambers.

This well-known photo was originally captioned as being an execution chamber.

Absolutely.
A minor point would be...how did the arrived at 6 gas chambers in the same report? I guess it could be argued that it was just an entry error.

The main reason I wanted to find and download this report is a line of argument that crossed my mind:
For those who trust the holocaust story...
A. Do you really believe that the 3 US government agencies involved in publishing this report could not identify these 4 chambers as delousing facilities?
B. If you believe that's possible, do you believe that not a single prisoner during the investigation, informed these agencies about the true purpose of these facilities? If so what does it say about the credibility of the witnesses?

I realize that for a revisionist this all very simplistic, but my focus always goes towards pointing out the most straightforward and effective arguments to those that insist on believing without question.

[cold beer]

I posted that particular excerpt from the Blaha testimony you linked to, to point out that IMT prosecutors actively extended accusations of skin harvesting to Dachau. Therefor there is no dismissing this element of the holocaust as a rumor that developed at a single camp.
There are arguments that these charges against Ilsa Koch aren't important because the crimes she was found guilty of in her final trial did not include skin harvesting.

[Hektor]

Thank you for replying.
That's something I haven't seen before and what they claim doesn't agree with the autopsies.
The report I recall claimed there were 7 gas chambers at Dachau, the delousing chambers were claimed to be gas chambers

Blaha...

It was common practice to remove the skin from dead prisoners. I was commanded to do this on many occasions. Dr. Rascher and Dr. Wolter in particular asked for 'this human skin from human backs and chests. It was chemically treated and placed in the sun to dry. After that it was cut into various sizes for use as saddles, riding breeches, gloves, house slippers, and ladies' handbags. Tattooed skin was especially valued by SS men. Russians, Poles, and other inmates were used in this way, but it was forbidden to cut out the skin of a German. This skin had to be from healthy prisoners and free from defects. Sometimes we did not have enough bodies with good skin and Rascher would say, 'All right, you will get the bodies.'

IMT notes that Dr. Rascher was executed:

HERR PELCKMANN: What became of Rascher?

VON EBERSTEIN: Rascher remained under arrest as before. I kept complaining without interruption for weeks and months to Himmler's office and to the Supreme SS and Police Court. I learned later from the latter office that Himmler had not turned over the files to them at all.

HERR PELCKMANTN: Did you learn later that Rascher was in a concentration camp?

VON EBERSTEIN: Yes. Rascher remained under arrest in the detention house of the SS barracks, Munich-Freimann, to all appear-ances until the barracks-at least the detention house was evacuated because of the approach of the American troops-. He was then sent to Dachau and I learned from the press that he must have been shot during the last few days. I cannot give any further information about this, since I was relieved of my post on 20 April 1945.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/08-03-46.asp

It also notes that even high-ranking SS-members 'Did not know about the Holocaust':

HERR PELCKMANN: Witness, you have attempted, in answer-ing my questions, to say that you, as a leader of the General SS, committed no crimes as the Prosecution asserts-I have given some examples-and that the members of the General SS did not commit such crimes, so that in your opinion one cannot say that the General SS was a criminal organization. But I must now submit to you that in the course of a prolonged hearing proof of criminal deeds has been given. I remind you of the thousands of deaths in the concen-tration camps, of the thousands of Jews shot in the East by Einsatz-gruppen and Einsatzkommandos, and I remind you of the gas chambers at Auschwitz. Now I ask you, what did you know of these things up to 1945?

VON EBERSTEIN: I knew nothing. During the whole war, without interruption, I was in Munich, and was never sent to occu-pied territories. I heard of the horrible mass murders and of the gassings while I was in prison. Today I know that it was impos-sible for a person who was not initiated to penetrate into the secret sphere of these extermination camps. There were indications here and there. In my official capacity I now and then saw foreign papers which had been confiscated, but they contained things which, according to my opinion and experience, were not true. I therefore considered reports about such atrocities as fabrications of the enemy propaganda. I did not -listen to enemy radio broadcasts. As the Tribunal knows, this was forbidden to every German and since it was our job to punish people who broke this law, I did not think that I should be allowed to do it myself. As for the mass of the men of the General SS, I am firmly convinced that they neither had a part in these atrocities nor did they know about them. I am firmly convinced that in view of the mutual confidence that existed between my men and me, they would certainly have asked me questions when they came to visit me on front leave. They would have asked me, "Obergruppenfuehrer, do you know about these things? Is it true?" Not a single man asked me anything like that.

HERR PELCKMANN: On the basis of your knowledge of the organization and the facts that you have learned after the beginning of the Trial or after the collapse, do you maintain that the majority of the members of the General SS, for whom you are testifying here, had no, part in these crimes?

VON EBERSTEIN: Yes.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/08-05-46.asp

Von Eberstein can also be listened to, and he sounds like a decent, earnest guy. If he did realize that they were being taken for a ride by the Allies, I do not know.

[hermod]

In the crematorium I believe there were four disinfestation chambers and the shower room. That's probably how they wound up with five gas chambers.

This well-known photo was originally captioned as being an execution chamber.

Absolutely.
A minor point would be...how did the arrived at 6 gas chambers in the same report? I guess it could be argued that it was just an entry error.

The main reason I wanted to find and download this report is a line of argument that crossed my mind:
For those who trust the holocaust story...
A. Do you really believe that the 3 US government agencies involved in publishing this report could not identify these 4 chambers as delousing facilities?
B. If you believe that's possible, do you believe that not a single prisoner during the investigation, informed these agencies about the true purpose of these facilities? If so what does it say about the credibility of the witnesses?

I realize that for a revisionist this all very simplistic, but my focus always goes towards pointing out the most straightforward and effective arguments to those that insist on believing without question.

Very unlikely, especially because the German delousing facilities of WWII were a rehash of the American delousing facilities of WWI. And there were factories manufacturing Zyklon B and fumigation facilities using it in America at that time.

https://postimg.cc/dktzXxLB

https://postimg.cc/YhjtXPxC

https://postimg.cc/xXpHMkL1

https://postimg.cc/8jhry2PV

The dark history of "gasoline baths" at the border

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkD6QfeRil8

https://postimg.cc/VSMjzWWM

https://postimg.cc/VJh3xmKv

https://postimg.cc/4HvcT2JF

https://postimg.cc/bG2shVgH

https://postimg.cc/68chZqx1

[cold beer]

Very unlikely, especially because the German delousing facilities of WWII were a rehash of the American delousing facilities of WWI. And there were factories manufacturing Zyklon B and fumigation facilities using it in America at that time.

Wow, looking through the images my reaction was that this is great material to support my argument. I didn't know exactly how good until I watched the video. Which I encourage everyone to do.
The video wasn't anything like I anticipated it to be. It's as heavily laced with accusations of extreme racism as any holocaust atrocity video! Leaving me wondering just how many of the accusations made in this video are an accurate account of what actually took place. Just like any holocaust testimony or docu-lie delousing is enforced not on the basis of a true health threat but as a pretext to brutally abuse minorities.
I'm left thinking about what the best tact would be for a revisionist makng use of this video. My first inclination would be to emphasize the manner in which the white race is attacked and liken it to how similar it is to German atrocity stories. It really depends on to what degree the claims of racism made in the video are overblown/misrepresented.

[Hektor]

Very unlikely, especially because the German delousing facilities of WWII were a rehash of the American delousing facilities of WWI. And there were factories manufacturing Zyklon B and fumigation facilities using it in America at that time.

Wow, looking through the images my reaction was that this is great material to support my argument. I didn't know exactly how good until I watched the video. Which I encourage everyone to do.
The video wasn't anything like I anticipated it to be. It's as heavily laced with accusations of extreme racism as any holocaust atrocity video! Leaving me wondering just how many of the accusations made in this video are an accurate account of what actually took place. Just like any holocaust testimony or docu-lie delousing is enforced not on the basis of a true health threat but as a pretext to brutally abuse minorities.
I'm left thinking about what the best tact would be for a revisionist makng use of this video. My first inclination would be to emphasize the manner in which the white race is attacked and liken it to how similar it is to German atrocity stories. It really depends on to what degree the claims of racism made in the video are overblown/misrepresented.

The homicidal gas chambers-narrative was turning a health-care potential life-saving device into a killing instrument. That's quite rich on its own. But it is astonishing how many people actually fell for this and keep on falling for it. Shows that all one needs to make people believe something is to be assertive. Works, when you are considered an authority by others. That authority figurines can and do lie and also can be in error should not be surprising. The story-telling and awe in listening to them seems to be quite addictive too many. And just as any bad habit people occasionally get sick of it, resent it and would like to have things differently. But if powerful, influential folks can push it through, it will persist.
Until now it got sorts of 'contemporary relevance', since people from this era are still alive. And it is useful to some extent. And well 'prosecuting war criminals' is a career to a number of officials... so they will find new ones over and over again. Even if the accusations are ridiculous.

[hermod]

Very unlikely, especially because the German delousing facilities of WWII were a rehash of the American delousing facilities of WWI. And there were factories manufacturing Zyklon B and fumigation facilities using it in America at that time.

Wow, looking through the images my reaction was that this is great material to support my argument. I didn't know exactly how good until I watched the video. Which I encourage everyone to do.
The video wasn't anything like I anticipated it to be. It's as heavily laced with accusations of extreme racism as any holocaust atrocity video! Leaving me wondering just how many of the accusations made in this video are an accurate account of what actually took place. Just like any holocaust testimony or docu-lie delousing is enforced not on the basis of a true health threat but as a pretext to brutally abuse minorities.
I'm left thinking about what the best tact would be for a revisionist makng use of this video. My first inclination would be to emphasize the manner in which the white race is attacked and liken it to how similar it is to German atrocity stories. It really depends on to what degree the claims of racism made in the video are overblown/misrepresented.

I thought the same thing when I watched that video for the first time. No surprise. When one finds a Nazi connection, one doesn't need to look further to 'prove' that his or her target is evil. The boomerang of their own atrocity propaganda flew back to the Allies of WWII after a short while and it finally made themselves look evil too. Unlike what the victors of WWII told us for too obvious reasons, the 3rd Reich was not a return of the dark ages in Germany. The German military defeat of November 1918 and the subsequent Weimar Republic were rather a glimpse into the 21st century if I'm asked...

Leaving me wondering just how many of the accusations made in this video are an accurate account of what actually took place.

IMO, no photo of naked Mexican girls were taken during those delousing baths and displayed in public places afterwards. Sounds like female paranoia (hysteria), White bashing ('antiracism'), and a big lie repeated to legitimize those riots.

[Hektor]

....

I thought the same thing when I watched that video for the first time. No surprise. When one finds a Nazi connection, one doesn't need to look further to 'prove' that his or her target is evil. The boomerang of their own atrocity propaganda flew back to the Allies of WWII after a short while and it finally made themselves look evil too. Unlike what the victors of WWII told us for too obvious reasons, the 3rd Reich was not a return of the dark ages in Germany. The German military defeat of November 1918 and the subsequent Weimar Republic were rather a glimpse into the 21st century if I'm asked...

Leaving me wondering just how many of the accusations made in this video are an accurate account of what actually took place.

IMO, no photo of naked Mexican girls were taken during those delousing baths and displayed in public places afterwards. Sounds like female paranoia (hysteria), White bashing ('antiracism'), and a big lie repeated to legitimize those riots.

What the allies (Their sykwar and propaganda units plus journalists they briefed and brought in) did do was documenting the results of their own 'strategic bombing' and month of air superiority they had over Germany. That brought over mayhem and starvation for weaks and month and subsequently you will get a lot of starved, dead and sick people. This is actually pretty obviously the case, if one uses ones cognitive abilities for a while. But the later is actually where your run-of-the-mill Holocaust believers fails completely. It's intellectual laziness as well as lack of cognitive ability that prevents them to think about this. Albeit not in all the cases in some cases they should have the intellectual capacity to process the information and come to the conclusion I sketched above. But they won't. They stick to the narrative they once 'learned' and are conditioned to believe. And then they try to use their cognitive abilities to justify their beliefs and attack critique of it. This is willful ignorance in action.

There is of course reasons for this. If the Holocaust Narrative is a Big lie, their trust in their academia, media and institutions would diminish. And that is a frightening though to them. Rather continue to blame some ancient regime of 'being evil'. And defend 'established history' to keep that up. This attitude isn't limited to the Holocaust. You will get this with several other utterances of 'science' as well. That's if it is 'paradigmatic' and when other issues are at stake for them.

The Weimar project was trying to establish a woke society. Get all Germans involved into decadence and a really libtarded version of culture. Plus you may turn it Communist as a bonus. If not, you can still have a civil war with the potential of getting millions killed. There was widespread resistance against this... not only from the NS-side. Essentially this got a broad-based rejection from those that were not vested in this. And vested in this was a portion of party-politicians, artists, bohemians and some academics. The Frankfurt School is perhaps the most prominent example of this. Their project has been stopped for 20 years and I think it only got rolling again during the 1960s. Their representatives like Adorno lined out all the elements to come then already:
* Essentially 'using the past' (rather the image they designed of this) to subvert German culture completely.
* Sexual Revolution - Cultural Revolution.
* Anti-Authoritarianism.

This was then pushed through with the 'march through the institutions', which took more than a decade since the 1968 student revolts. The other issue that came up was mass immigration by foreigners, especially non-Western foreigners. The consequence were consumerism, atomization, break down of traditional social structures and cohesion and also changes in the value system. Marriages were not so long lasting anymore. Families were more in conflict. And abuse of narcotics increased. There was some resistance against it, but those resisting had no clue what to do neither. And of course the Nazi-club came in quite handy against them.

Those that were engaged with the 1968 revolts are now in pension age. They did their careers at the expense of the older generation. They are finding out that there were merits in authority, family, community, but they are afraid to say that, because otherwise they would be "NAZIS". At the moment Germany still can afford experimenting, but this is about to change. I don't think this will be lasting longer than this decade, at least not by much. And there is knowledge about this as well and a perception to take 'progress' further. The COVID scam and the actors therein have clearly shown this.

What comes after that? I won't know. Not sure if things are still repairable. I also wonder, whether the Holocaust is going to survive this. Perhaps at least not in the present form and it has done its job already for most. The chickens may come home too roost though.

[cold beer]

IMO, no photo of naked Mexican girls were taken during those delousing baths and displayed in public places afterwards. Sounds like female paranoia (hysteria), White bashing ('antiracism'), and a big lie repeated to legitimize those riots.

This white slur video reminds me of the accusation that the Allies didn't do enough to save the Jews despite knowing that they were dying in gas chambers. This is what happens when you get in bed with them.

[cold beer]

What the allies (Their sykwar and propaganda units plus journalists they briefed and brought in) did do was documenting the results of their own 'strategic bombing' and month of air superiority they had over Germany. That brought over mayhem and starvation for weaks and month and subsequently you will get a lot of starved, dead and sick people. This is actually pretty obviously the case, if one uses ones cognitive abilities for a while. But the later is actually where your run-of-the-mill Holocaust believers fails completely. It's intellectual laziness as well as lack of cognitive ability that prevents them to think about this. Albeit not in all the cases in some cases they should have the intellectual capacity to process the information and come to the conclusion I sketched above. But they won't. They stick to the narrative they once 'learned' and are conditioned to believe. And then they try to use their cognitive abilities to justify their beliefs and attack critique of it. This is willful ignorance in action.

Exactly as Hitler described these type of people.

This attitude isn't limited to the Holocaust. You will get this with several other utterances of 'science' as well. That's if it is 'paradigmatic' and when other issues are at stake for them.

In a group text on the topic of Covid a relative insisted that the unvaxxed are killing people because they are the sole group spreading the virus. She said that outright even though I openly stated in the text I was not vaxxed. She boldy proclaimed it was the science.
Months later she invited me to a family party. I reminded her I wasn't vaxxed and I could be a danger to the kids and others. Without skipping a beat she said vaccine status isn't a factor in spreading the virus. That's the science she said. They're only gambling with their own health.
On both occassions she stated with confidence and an in instructive manner that she knows what the science is.