Postby fountainhead » 9 years 4 months ago (Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:33 pm)
Thought I'd pose a friendly challenge to all of you. Let's assume, as some 'middle-ground' exterminationists do, that there were no Einsatzgruppen mass shootings or death camp gassings. You'll often see people say, "Well, even if the Jews only died because the Germans denied them food and medicine, that's still a Holocaust!" I believe the usual revisionist response to this is that ALL of Europe was dying of disease and starvation at that point because Allied bombing had destroyed the pharmaceutical factories and infrastructure. I, therefore, challenge you to show me evidence that non-Jews were suffering the same fate.
A quick image search for "World War II starving Germans" didn't turn up much. I mainly found pictures of supposed German atrocities, such as the emaciated corpses at Buchenwald. Speaking of which, remember how the Allies forced the nearby German civilians to come to the camp and witness the crimes of their countrymen? Looking at these pictures (see below), the Germans look quite healthy and well-fed.
So, do revisionists acknowledge that the Germans withheld food and medicine from the Jews in order to feed their own first? A "Holocaust Lite", if you will?
Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.
Postby Hannover » 9 years 4 months ago (Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:15 pm)
pic 1: Disease victims, have proof they were murdered? Nope. Civilians, if German, look rather thin. pic 2: Blatant fake cut & paste job, pathetic. See real photos below. pic 3: Prove these people were victims of the Germans and not the Allies. Civilians, if German, look rather thin.
Surely you jest, fountainhead? Is this your best shot since you cannot prove the existence of the alleged homicidal gas chambers and alleged massive shooting pits?
Of course we all know how well Germans were fed and tended to in communist Soviet POW Gulags ('death camps') during WWII. Does fountainhead deny that food & medicine was withheld from the Germans by the Allies?
And then there were Eisenhower's real 'death camps'. Does fountainhead deny that food & medicine was withheld from the Germans by the Allies?
And why did Germans delouse their own trains?
Do you deny that their were typhus epidemics in Europe in WWII?
Do you think the Germans were supermen who were resistant to such diseases?
"Germany could not so easily be divided into innocent civilians and guilty soldiers. After all, the farmer on his potato patch was feeding German soldiers." - Chuck Yeager, Yeager: An Autobiography, Bantam Books, New York, 1985, p. 79.
Healthy Jews of Auschwitz greet the Soviets.
Healthy Jewish children alive in the Auschwitz II (Birkenau) upon Soviet arrival. Still from a postwar Soviet film
"Auschwitz, Poland, Soviet Soldiers Escort Two Prisoners on the Day of their Liberation"
Auschwitz, Poland, 1945, Jewish Children After Their Liberation by the Red Army.
Well fed, heatlhy Jews upon Soviet arrival at Auschwitz.
Postby borjastick » 9 years 4 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:25 am)
I, therefore, challenge you to show me evidence that non-Jews were suffering the same fate.
A quick image search for "World War II starving Germans" didn't turn up much. I mainly found pictures of supposed German atrocities, such as the emaciated corpses at Buchenwald. Speaking of which, remember how the Allies forced the nearby German civilians to come to the camp and witness the crimes of their countrymen? Looking at these pictures (see below), the Germans look quite healthy and well-fed.
I think you need to compare apples with apples. Civilian populations, though suffering from privations due to the war, were not incarcerated. i would suggest some research on the conditions of civil prisoners and their health etc.
In my experience when a member of the public talks about a 'holocaust by any other name' in other words whatever the reason they died it amounts to the same thing, they are lost. Maybe due to ignorance, maybe because they don't wish to go down the holocaust discussion route. They are trying to conform with the 'official' version just to be normal, to not stand out.
I could show you pictures of troops in the middle east 1940 and on who were malnourished, but they were not in a camp nor were they jewish, war caused food issues. The German population were able in many cases to grow veg on an allotment, as was the case in Britain. In fact allotments really came into being because of the second world war, to allow vegetables to be grown by the average family in times of shortages.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'
'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician
Postby Mkk » 9 years 4 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:19 am)
Well, there were famines in Greece and the Netherlands but I think those were based upon specific circumstances - Greece upon the already poor economioc situation and the division of the country into several occupation zones, and the Netherlands because of the railway workers' strike and German decision not to transport food and materials to the still-occupied western and northern parts.
In Germany, some people did starve but again specific circumstances which have been summarised as The Hitler priority of weapons over fertilizer, the substitution of slave labour on the farms for regular domestic agricultural workers, the dependence on imports of food from the conquered territories in the East,http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 4&start=15
As you said, even though it was the end of the war those Germans look well-fed enough. It's clear Jews and others were mistreated in the camps and obviouslyy should never have been unjustly imprisoned anyway - though this doesnt constitute a "Holocaust" as alleged.
"Truth is hate for those who hate the truth"- Auchwitz lies, p.13
Postby hermod » 9 years 4 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:34 am)
fountainhead wrote:Thought I'd pose a friendly challenge to all of you. Let's assume, as some 'middle-ground' exterminationists do, that there were no Einsatzgruppen mass shootings or death camp gassings. You'll often see people say, "Well, even if the Jews only died because the Germans denied them food and medicine, that's still a Holocaust!" I believe the usual revisionist response to this is that ALL of Europe was dying of disease and starvation at that point because Allied bombing had destroyed the pharmaceutical factories and infrastructure. I, therefore, challenge you to show me evidence that non-Jews were suffering the same fate.
Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D., Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the Harvard University School of Public Health, who was with US forces in Germany in 1945 reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes for the outbreaks as follows:
Germany in the spring months of April and May [1945] was an astounding sight, a mixture of humanity travelling this way and that, homeless, often hungry and carrying typhus with them ...
Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution was poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have experienced.
John E. Gordon, "Louse-Borne Typhus Fever in the European Theater of Operations, U.S. Army, 1945," in Forest Ray Moulton, editor, Rickettsial Diseases of Man (Washington, DC: American Academy for the Advancement of Science, 1948), pp. 16-27.
A quick image search for "World War II starving Germans" didn't turn up much. I mainly found pictures of supposed German atrocities, such as the emaciated corpses at Buchenwald. Speaking of which, remember how the Allies forced the nearby German civilians to come to the camp and witness the crimes of their countrymen? Looking at these pictures (see below), the Germans look quite healthy and well-fed.
Interesting you chose Buchenwald. At Dachau and Belsen the horrific emaciated prisoners were mainly the result of typhus and typhoid. But at Buchenwald they were mainly the result of starvation...a starvation induced by the Communist inmates administering the camp. At Buchenwald by 1943 the well-organized and disciplined Communist inmate organization had taken virtually total control of the camp's internal operation and the Communist inmates decided who was allowed to eat and who wasn't. This remarkable situation was confirmed in a detailed U.S. Army intelligence document of 24 April 1945 entitled Buchenwald: A Preliminary Report. This confidential analysis remained classified until 1972.
The U.S. report explained:
The trusties had wide powers over their fellow inmates. At first they were drawn almost exclusively from the German criminals. This period lasted until 1942. But gradually the Communists began to gain control of this organization. They were the oldest residents, with records of 10-12 years in the concentration camps ... They clung together with remarkable tenacity, whereas the criminal elements were simply out for their own individual welfare and had little group cohesiveness. The Communists maintained excellent discipline and received a certain amount of direction from outside the camp. They had brains and technical qualifications for running the various industries established at the camp.
[...]
Besides the top positions in the trusty organization, there were a number of key Communist strongholds in the administration of the camp. One was the food supply organization, through which favored groups received reasonable rations while others were brought to the starvation level. A second was the hospital, staffed almost exclusively by Communists. Its facilities were largely devoted to caring for members of their party ... Another Communist stronghold was the Property Room ... Each German trusty obtained good clothing and numerous other valuables. The Communists of Buchenwald, after ten or twelve years in concentration carnps, are dressed like prosperous business men. Some affect leather jackets and little round caps of the German navy, apparently the uniform of revolution.
[...]
lnstead of a heap of corpses or a disorderly mob of starving, leaderless men, the Americans [who captured the camp] found a disciplined and efficient organization in Buchenwald. Credit is undoubtedly due to the self-appointed Camp Committee, an almost purely Communist group under the domination of the German political leaders.
[...]
The trusties, who in time became almost exclusively Communist Germans, had the power of life and death over all other inmates. They could sentence a man or a group to almost certain death ... The Communist trusties were directly responsible for a large part of the brutalities committed at Buchenwald.
Buchenwald: A Preliminary Report, Egon W. Fleck and Edwartd At Tenenbaum, U.S. Army, 12th Army Group, 24 April 1945. National Archives, Record Group 331, SHAEF, G-5, 17.11, Jacket 10, Box 151 (8929tl63-8929/180)
So, do revisionists acknowledge that the Germans withheld food and medicine from the Jews in order to feed their own first? A "Holocaust Lite", if you will?
Medicine? There was no medicine to cure typhus at that time. The American Allies had anti-typhus vaccine and DDT. But the Germans had no vaccine and no DDT. All what they had was Zyklon B and a few other things (clothes delousing with steam, hot air or microwave and head shaving) to kill lice and prevent typhus epidemics from starting. Today antibiotic therapy is recommended for both endemic and epidemic typhus infections because early treatment with antibiotics (for example, azithromycin (discovered in 1980), doxycycline (invented in the early 1960's), tetracycline (invented in 1955), or chloramphenicol (discovered in 1949)) can cure most people infected with the bacteria (http://www.medicinenet.com/typhus/page6.htm). But there were few antibiotics in the 1940's. Fleming discovered penicilin in 1928.
DDT was invented in 1874, but its insecticidal properties were discovered by the Swiss scientist Paul Müller as late as in 1939. But DDT’s insecticidal properties still had to be tested and the news of its extraordinary properties against the disease-carrying insects reached the United States only in 1942. After further research in the United States, a DDT delousing powder was invented and first used in Naples (Italy) in late 1943. But the Germans couldn’t wait late 1943 or 1944 to combat typhus. Typhus was not a farway disease to them. They needed an efficient way to combat typhus from 1939. So the Zyklon B choice (among other things such as steam, hot air and even microwave – http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n3p-4_Weber.html) was a logical choice and it saved many lives. This fact was demonstrated in early 1945, when Germany lacked everything and proper delousings couldn’t be applied anymore. At that time, typhus emerged again and showed the power of its killing abilities, especially in concentration camps but not only. The Allies photographed and filmed the results of those terrible typhus epidemics and collected what is now known as “Holocaust film footage” or “visual evidence of the Holocaust”. Only DDT and their anti-typhus vaccine made the Allies able to deal with typhus as a non-issue when they entered the German concentration camps in spring 1945 and to depict the mountains of emaciated typhus corpses they found there as “victims of Nazi barbarity”, “prisoners starved to death” and “Jews exterminated by the fascist brutes”.
Your own profile picture ("One louse, Your death") shows how dangerous typhus was at that time, fountainhead. It wasn't "One louse, Your death, if we withheld medicine for ourselves". It was only "One louse, Your death".
Withheld food for themselves? Not really.
Dr. Russell Barton, an English physician who spent a month in Bergen-Belsen after the war with the British Army, has also explained the reasons for the catastrophic conditions found there:
"Most people attributed the conditions of the inmates to deliberate intention on the part of the Germans in general and the camp administrators in particular. Inmates were eager to cite examples of brutality and neglect, and visiting journalists from different countries interpreted the situation according to the needs of propaganda at home.
For example, one newspaper emphasized the wickedness of the "German masters" by remarking that some of the 10,000 unburied dead were naked. In fact, when the dead were taken from a hut and left in the open for burial, other prisoners would take their clothing from them ...
German medical officers told me that it had been increasingly difficult to transport food to the camp for some months. Anything that moved on the autobahns was likely to be bombed ...
I was surprised to find records, going back for two or three years, of large quantities of food cooked daily for distribution. I became convinced, contrary to popular opinion, that there had never been a policy of deliberate starvation. This was confirmed by the large numbers of well-fed inmates. Why then were so many people suffering from malnutrition?... The major reasons for the state of Belsen were disease, gross overcrowding by central authority, lack of law and order within the huts, and inadequate supplies of food, water and drugs.
In trying to assess the causes of the conditions found in Belsen one must be alerted to the tremendous visual display, ripe for purposes of propaganda, that masses of starved corpses presented."
In a March 1, 1945, letter to Gruppenführer (General) Richard Glücks, head of the SS camp administration agency, Commandant Kramer reported in detail on the catastrophic situation in the Bergen-Belsen, and pleaded for help:
"If I had sufficient sleeping accommodation at my disposal, then the accommodation of the detainees who have already arrived and of those still to come would appear more possible. In addition to this question a spotted fever and typhus epidemic has now begun, which increases in extent every day. The daily mortality rate, which was still in the region of 60-70 at the beginning of February, has in the meantime attained a daily average of 250-300 and will increase still further in view of the conditions which at present prevail.
Supply. When I took over the camp, winter supplies for 1500 internees had been indented for; some had been received, but the greater part had not been delivered. This failure was due not only to difficulties of transport, but also to the fact that practically nothing is available in this area and all must be brought from outside the area ...
For the last four days there has been no delivery [of food] from Hannover owing to interrupted communications, and I shall be compelled, if this state of affairs prevails till the end of the week, to fetch bread also by means of truck from Hannover.The trucks allotted to the local unit are in no way adequate for this work, and I am compelled to ask for at least three to four trucks and five to six trailers. When I once have here a means of towing then I can send out the trailers into the surrounding area ... The supply question must, without fail, be cleared up in the next few days. I ask you, Gruppenführer, for an allocation of transport ...
State of Health. The incidence of disease is very high here in proportion to the number of detainees. When you interviewed me on Dec. 1, 1944, at Oranienburg, you told me that Bergen-Belsen was to serve as a sick camp for all concentration camps in north Germany. The number of sick has greatly increased, particularly on account of the transports of detainees that have arrived from the East in recent times -- these transports have sometimes spent eight or fourteen days in open trucks ...
The fight against spotted fever is made extremely difficult by the lack of means of disinfection. Due to constant use, the hot-air delousing machine is now in bad working order and sometimes fails for several days ...
A catastrophe is taking place for which no one wishes to assume responsibility ... Gruppenführer, I can assure you that from this end everything will be done to overcome the present crisis ...
I am now asking you for your assistance as it lies in your power. In addition to the above-mentioned points I need here, before everything, accommodation facilities, beds, blankets, eating utensils -- all for about 20,000 internees ... I implore your help in overcoming this situation."
Under such terrible conditions, Kramer did everything in his power to reduce suffering and prevent death among the inmates, even appealing to the hard-pressed German army. "I don't know what else to do," he told high-ranking army officers. "I have reached the limit. Masses of people are dying. The drinking water supply has broken down. A trainload of food was destroyed by low-flying [Allied] war planes. Something must be done immediately." /
"I was swamped," Kramer later explained to incredulous British military interrogators:
"The camp was not really inefficient before you [British and American forces] crossed the Rhine. There was running water, regular meals of a kind -- I had to accept what food I was given for the camp and distribute it the best way I could. But then they suddenly began to send me trainloads of new prisoners from all over Germany. It was impossible to cope with them. I appealed for more staff, more food. I was told that this was impossible. I had to carry on with what I had.
Then as a last straw the Allies bombed the electric plant that pumped our water. Loads of food were unable to reach the camp because of the Allied fighters. Then things really got out of hand. During the last six weeks I have been helpless. I did not even have sufficient staff to bury the dead, let alone segregate the sick ... I tried to get medicines and food for the prisoners and I failed. I was swamped. I may have been hated, but I was doing my duty."
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them is doomed. " Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
Postby fountainhead » 9 years 4 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:36 pm)
Thanks all of you for the replies. Wow, there is a lot of information there that I wasn't even aware of. See, this is why I ask these questions.
@Hannover I'm fully with you on all your points. I know about the typhus epidemic, the delousing, the Allied treatment of POWs, the photos of healthy inmates at Auschwitz, etc. Here I'm just testing the theory that I've seen exterminationists throw out there that even if there were no gas chambers, the Germans were still purposely committing mass murder via starvation. A lay person might think so if all they saw is the pictures of grotesque corpses of Jewish inmates but still somewhat healthy looking Germans. I tend to think not, especially given Kramer's letter requesting supplies (thanks hermod). But pictures just have more shock value.
@borjastick Regarding comparing apples to apples, this is actually what I was getting at. When confronted with the starvation/disease death argument, revisionists usually retort by implying that the whole continent was suffering equally. Yes and no, it seems. German civilians were able to feed themselves better than the prisoners. I also think it's safe to say that the Germans prioritized their military over the prisoners, correct? Whether this is still a crime, of course, is debatable, since I doubt any nation at war would do otherwise. If I recall correctly, Churchill diverted food from India for the war effort (and possibly even out of spite for Indians who wanted independence), resulting in the Bengal Famine of 1943.
Still, I would have thought there would be more photos showing Germans and other Europeans suffering to a similar degree to the prisoners (not counting the awful photos from Dresden). Any photos of piles of bodies of German troops killed by Typhus? Perhaps no one wanted to take such photos because it just reduces morale?
Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.
Postby Hannover » 9 years 4 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:46 pm)
fountainhead:
Still, I would have thought there would be more photos showing Germans and other Europeans suffering to a similar degree to the prisoners (not counting the awful photos from Dresden). Any photos of piles of bodies of German troops killed by Typhus? Perhaps no one wanted to take such photos because it just reduces morale?
Your comparison is off the mark, the situations were not the same.
Remember, it was the Allies who took the photos we're accustomed to seeing, for propaganda purposes. I cannot imagine the Allies taking photos of the Germans they starved to death. And Germans who starved who were not in the Wehrmacht would have been buried one by one in local cemeteries, or in the case contagious disease would have been cremated in localized sites. The labor camps had limited space and cremation facilities often lacked fuel and diseased corpses could not safely be buried due to ground water contamination, hence a build-up of unburied corpses in places like Bergen-Belsen.
Then there is the well known lack of nutrition of German troops at the front, recall Stalingrad. There are many phots of malnourished German troops.
THE EPIDEMIC OUTLOOK IN EUROPE By KNUD STOWMAN, M.D.
Chief of the Epidemiological Information Service of U.N.R.R.A.
With World War II entering its final stage, civil administration is now in a fluid state in many areas and refugee movements are gathering momentum. These conditions, propitious to the propagation of epidemics, are likely to grow worse during the current year. They will further complicate the return to their native countries of millions of prisoners of war, shanghaied labourers, forcibly displaced people, and other uprooted men, women, and children, in themselves constituting grave potentialities so far as epidemics are concerned. [...]
It may be said at once that among the five pestilential diseases covered by the International Sanitary Conventions only louse-borne typhus presents an immediate and grave danger to Europe. [...]
Typhus.—Typhus presents a far greater danger than smallpox. In certain areas severe epidemics are already under way, and in much larger areas the danger is potential because for several years there has been an insidious spread of sporadic infection throughout Central Europe. [...] In Poland typhus is known to have been on the increase during the German occupation, but numerical indications are not available for the last four years.
There are three main epidemic foci of typhus in South-Eastern Europe : the Rumanian, with centre in Bessarabia and Eastern Moldavia ; the Sub-Carpathian, with centre in Sub-Carpathian Ruthenia and extending into North-Eastern Hungary ; the Croatian, with centre in Bosnia and probably extending into Serbia. All of these foci were in rapid evolution in the spring of last year, and there was a serious epidemic in Croatia and Bosnia, extending late into the summer. Information for recent winter months is not avail-able for the Sub-Carpathian area. An epidemic reminiscent of the World War I disaster has broken out in Rumania. Unofficial in-formation gives 30,000 cases in Moldavia alone, and the epidemic is likely to increase up to April or May. So far, this is undoubtedly the most serious epidemic outburst of any disease during the war. In recent years the epidemic level has been rising also in Bulgaria and Greece, and typhus was epidemic in Turkey in 1943. On the other hand, the typhus epidemic which visited Spain in 1941 and 1942, causing over 11,000 cases, has now been reduced to an endemic level. The outbreak in and around Naples during the winter of 1943-4 (somewhat over 1,000 cases all told) was brought under control in the course of a few months, and at present there is hardly any typhus in Italy. In Germany, where typhus was formerly unknown, there were over 5,000 cases in 1943, mostly among foreign workers. The cases were spread over the entire area of the Reich as far west as the Rhineland. Information for recent months is not available, but present conditions obviously favour the spread of infection. The typhus-free area of the European continent now consists only of the three Scandinavian countries, Finland, Switzerland, and, aside from relatively rare sporadic cases, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France. [...]
Conclusion
In general, the epidemic outlook is not unlike the forecast which might have been made this day 27 years ago. As then, the general endemic level of nearly every kind of infection has risen, and serious epidemics have already appeared. In February, 1918, no one could have forecast the influenza pandemic, but other developments might have been foreseen had sufficient information been currently available. Unpredictable epidemics may occur, war or no war, but our knowledge of the existing situation is far more complete and up to date than then. In several ways the outlook is darker than in 1918 because destruction of buildings and displacement of persons are far more widespread than during World War I. On the other hand, the endemic level was lower to start with in 1939 than it was in 1914, and the world is now better equipped to deal with many of the important infectious diseases. On the public health front World War I lasted not four but more nearly ten years. However, it was gloriously won. Many years of effort in combating infectious diseases have once more been lost so far as Europe is concerned. To make up for backsliding will take several years after the cessation of active hostilities, but the public health profession and services can win their war now as then.
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end. - Prof. Noah Charney
Postby Hannover » 9 years 4 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:31 pm)
Malnourished German soldiers at time of surrender.
Common German civilians:
A common occurrence:
(Newser) – The corpses of 1,800 men, women and children believed to be German civilians have been found in a mass grave near the Polish city of Malbork, Der Speigel reports. The city was German until the end of World War II. Officials believe many of its former residents were massacred by the advancing Soviet Red Army. One in ten of the corpses had been shot in the head.
Those who weren't shot may have died from the cold weather in the winter of 1944-5 or been killed by Soviet artillery, officials say. All were buried naked, with no personal effects of any kind. Residents of Malbork—formerly known as Marienburg—were ordered to evacuate deeper into Germany as the Soviets advanced. All 1,840 who stayed behind were classed as missing after the war.
... not counting the awful photos from Dresden
You mean "not counting" just about all German towns with a significant population where that population was deliberately targeted in war crime terror raids by the Allies, see real pictures readily available, i.e.:
Postby Hektor » 9 years 4 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:12 pm)
Hannover wrote:Malnourished German soldiers at time of surrender. ...
I was just about to ask. What is the evidence or what clues do we have that some of the corpses shown in concentration camps were actually German prisoners of the Allies that were starved to death? I recall pictures were the alleged victims of German atrocities did actually still were German uniform parts. Sometimes they were on truck trailers as well.
Postby Goethe » 9 years 4 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:29 pm)
Hektor, This photo posted by fountainhead is a good example of what you put forth. And as Hannover states "pic 3: Prove these people were victims of the Germans and not the Allies." Who is to say that these dead people were killed by the Germans, they are not wearing striped camp clothing and could be in fact be Germans murdered by the Allies in bombing attacks or other criminal acts by the Allies. People just accept Allied propaganda without thinking.
And this creation is so obviously fake that it makes one chuckle. Looks like 3 photos montaged together, a classic pre-PhotoShop propaganda technique.
"The coward threatens when he is safe". - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Goethe wrote:And this creation is so obviously fake that it makes one chuckle. Looks like 3 photos montaged together, a classic pre-PhotoShop propaganda technique.
I don't believe there are any reasons to believe this photograph has been tampered with.
The persistent calls of fakery, without showing any knowledge of what you're claiming is a fake, never mind offering any proof, just makes the anti-revisionists laugh.
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end. - Prof. Noah Charney
Postby Creox » 9 years 4 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:11 pm)
At first glance the picture looks odd due to the striking difference in contrast and focus from the background where the soldiers are standing to the foreground with the mother and two children. It certainly could be genuine but that stands out for me.
Creox wrote:At first glance the picture looks odd due to the striking difference in contrast and focus from the background where the soldiers are standing to the foreground with the mother and two children. It certainly could be genuine but that stands out for me.
That's perfectly normal. If the soldiers were in focus too, then there'd be grounds for suspicion.
Normal lens can only focus on objects at a single distance, everything else in the photo will be blurred to some extent.
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end. - Prof. Noah Charney
