Himmler's Speech on 'Extermination'?

[truth]

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/himmler-poznan-large.mov

It seems that he admits here a lot.
ENGLISH Speech:
I also want to mention a very difficult subject before you here, completely openly.
It should be discussed amongst us, and yet, nevertheless, we will never speak about it in public.
Just as we did not hesitate on June 30 to carry out our duty, as ordered, and stand comrades who had failed against the wall and shoot them.
About which we have never spoken, and never will speak.
That was, thank God, a kind of tact natural to us, a foregone conclusion of that tact, that we have never conversed about it amongst ourselves, never spoken about it, everyone shuddered, and everyone was clear that the next time, he would do the same thing again, if it were commanded and necessary.
I am talking about the "Jewish evacuation": the extermination of the Jewish people.
It is one of those things that is easily said. "The Jewish people is being exterminated," every Party member will tell you, "perfectly clear, it's part of our plans, we're eliminating the Jews, exterminating them, ha!, a small matter."
And then along they all come, all the 80 million upright Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. They say: all the others are swine, but here is a first-class Jew. And none of them has seen it, has endured it. Most of you will know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when there are 500, or when there are 1000. And to have seen this through, and -- with the exception of human weaknesses -- to have remained decent, has made us hard and is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned.
Because we know how difficult things would be, if today in every city during the bomb attacks, the burdens of war and the privations, we still had Jews as secret saboteurs, agitators and instigators. We would probably be at the same stage as 1916-17, if the Jews still resided in the body of the German people.
We have taken away the riches that they had, and I have given a strict order, which Obergruppenführer Pohl has carried out, we have delivered these riches completely to the Reich, to the State. We have taken nothing from them for ourselves. A few, who have offended against this, will be [judged] in accordance with an order, that I gave at the beginning: He who takes even one Mark of this is a dead man.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmle ... ndex.shtml

So, this Speech is convincing... the persecution must have been terrible. Of course it says little about the number. What do you know about this speech? They have this picture - why not a movie. Perhaps you talked about this before. It's disgusting this speech to be sure.

[polishheritage]

This has already been discussed in detail at this link http://codoh.com/library/document/891

Just one quick quote from there:

"Many of those who accept the orthodox version of the Holocaust story refuse to accept Porter's translation of Ausrottung, and the other terms which are typically translated to mean extermination. Porter's translation shows that there can be a benign interpretation of these words, especially when taken within the context of the entire speech.

In 1993, Robert Wolfe, supervisory archivist for captured German records at the National Archives admitted that a more precise translation of Ausrottung would be extirpation or tearing up by the roots. Wolfe also pointed out that in Himmler's handwritten notes for the speech, that Himmler used the term, Judenevakuierung, or evacuation of the Jews, not extermination."

[Hannover]

You have an English 'translation' using words that Himmler never used first of all. The literal translation of ausrotten is 'up rooting', not 'extermination'. Be careful with such things, it's a classic shyster tactic.

This 'speech' is really old news to Revisionists. Read this from a previous thread.

- Hannover

Another yawner long since demolished by research.

This alleged (recorded) speech, as German judge Staeglich has adroitly pointed out, is a hodgepodge of non-sequitors, nonsense, and re-worked text.
see: http://codoh.com/library/document/230

- There are missing pages, retyped pages by different hands, even repaginated.

- Then we have a so called "secret" speech in front of thousands. Frankly the assertions about it are laughable.

- Yivo (Yiddish Scientific Institute) of New York was very active in the Rosenberg Ministry to process documents for submittal to the Nuremberg trials.

- members of the audience like SS-OGruF Gottlob Berger denied that Himmler was talking about the extermination of the Jews at all.

- To have a speech with such alleged secret content recorded? Right. SS General Berger did not recognize Himmler’s voice listening to the tape.

- In 1993, Robert Wolfe, supervisory archivist for captured German records at the National Archives admitted that a more precise translation of 'ausrottung' would be extirpation or tearing up by the roots. Wolfe also pointed out that in Himmler's handwritten notes for the speech, that Himmler used the term, 'judenevakuierung', or evacuation of the Jews, not 'extermination'.

- the complete lack of physical evidence to support the false assertions

- the complete lack of orders for the assumptions being made

Like so much else about this so called holocau$t, the Posen speech when scrutinized doesn't hold up.

forum participant Daniel Saez Lorente states:

Germar Rudolf has recently pointed out the the "sound recording" of the "secret speech" used a very primitive technology ["Nadeltontechnologie"] which was no longer commonly used in Germany. The Americans had no mastery of the lastest developments in German sound recording technology, so they presumably faked their recording using the only German technology available to them.

As for "Himmler's voice", well, ever listen to American movies dubbed into foreign languages? Let me tell you something, Gary Cooper or Humphrey Bogart in German or Italian sounds just like Gary Cooper or HUmphrey Bogart. They've got it down absolutely perfect. Voice imitators are a dime a dozen. All you need is a German Jew with some acting ability and... sounds like the story of the 911 "cell phones".... pull the other one.
As for "gespannt" in a happy sense, well...

Then we have some True Believers citing much later dictionaries claiming ausrotten as meaning 'extermination' (uprooting is it's real meaning) ... published in accordance with the propaganda about WWII. There's problems with that though:

- Here's something from a 1935 speech by Rudolf Hess:
Quote:

"National Socialist legislation has now introduced corrective measures against this over-alienization. I say corrective, because the proof that the Jews are not being ruthlessly rooted out [AUSGEROTTET] is that in Prussia alone 33,500 Jews are working in manufacturing and industry, and 89, 800 are engaged in trade and commerce; and that with only 1 per cent of the population Jewish, 17.5 per cent of our attorneys and in Berlin nearly half the registered doctors are still Jewish."

Ofcourse at this time (1935), the charge against the Nazis was not that they were ruthlessly exterminating the Jews.

- the 1936 anti-German book by Leon Feuchtwanger and others entitled DER GELBE FLECK: DIE AUSROTTUNG VON 500,000 DEUTSCHEN JUDEN.
Oops. I guess the silly 'exterminations' started in 1936 then.

- Hitler in his Berlin Sportpalast speech of February 1933: "den Marxismus und seine Begleiterscheinungen aus Deutschland AUSZUROTTEN" - "to eradicate Marxism and its accompanying phenomena from Germany". How does one explain "from Germany", "out of Germany" if the "auszurotten" only possible meaning was the physical extermination of living beings? Was Hitler thinking of gassing "Marxism" itself? If so, no gassings of German Marxists has been alleged before the war.

- It should also be pointed out that if Hitler's plan to exterminate the Jews was a secret plan that required the destruction of evidence at the end of the war, then why did he use the word ausrotten in so many of his public speeches prior to the war?'
Either way, the meaning of 'ausrotten' actually plays against the holocaust theory. If it did mean murder and the plan was public, then that means the Germans did not attempt to carry out a secret plan and did not attempt to destroy the evidence afterwards to conceal the plan. Clearly this has major implications reaching far beyond the meaning of one of Himmler's "secret" speeches. If the meaning of the word is figurative, then Himmler's speech is not proof of anything.

- As for SS general Gottlieb Berger's statements that he was at the Posen speech and Himmler said nothing about exterminating Jews, I suggest: NMT, vol 13. p. 457-487

- As for the desperate Pohl, his defense strategy was the same as others who were bound by the 'judicial notice' that gassings were fact even though there was no evidence. He had no choice but to play along. I suggest a different thread for Nuremberg and post war trials. Remember there was 'evidence' presented at Nuremberg for 'human soap' and homicidal 'steam chambers' which no one attempted to refute. Also, no one attempted to refute the allegations of German guilt at the Katyn mass murder site, we now know the Soviets did it.

- And it always comes down to claims of mass muder where there is no evidence to support it. The gas chambers are scientifically impossible as alleged and have been debunked ad nauseum by Revisionists, and the alleged 1,000,000 - 2,000,000 supposed mass shootings of thousands at a time in claimed known sites have produced no mass graves at those sites. Why is that?

more on the Posen speech:
viewtopic.php?t=372

This is too easy.

- Hannover

[truth]

Thank you so much... the basics still matter for they come up... xo

[Hektor]

They also mistranslated other parts of the supposed Speech:

Es gehört zu den Dingen, die man leicht ausspricht. "Das jüdische Volk wird ausgerottet", sagt Ihnen jeder Parteigenosse, "ganz klar, steht in unserem Programm drin, Ausschaltung der Juden, Ausrottung, machen wir, pfah!, Kleinigkeit".

is translated as

It is one of those things that is easily said. "The Jewish people is being exterminated," every Party member will tell you, "perfectly clear, it's part of our plans, we're eliminating the Jews, exterminating them, ha!, a small matter."

"Programm" is not "plans". In fact the program is a very specific document and this document doesn't say anything about "exterminating" Jews. So they try to obscure from program to plans which is more vague.
http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/dokumente/n ... index.html
And translated as (a simple one, not a particularily good one, but the points aren't that misleading as the quote above):
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP_ ... _manifesto
With the relevant passages:

4. Only Germans may be citizens of the Germany. Only those of the German races may be members of the nation, their religion does not matter. No Jew may be a citizen.
24. We want to allow all religions in the State, unless they offend the moral feelings of the German race. The NSDAP is Christian, but does not belong to any denomination. The NSDAP will fight the Jewish self-interest spirit, and believes that our nation will be strongest only if everyone puts the common interest before self-interest.

That's it, nothing about "ausrotten" let alone "exterminating".

[Callahan]

I think this speech is one that's important to clarify since I see it mentioned frequently by exterminationists. Here's what I've gathered thus far, correct me if I'm wrong:

1. The October 4th speech at Posen contained no explicit references to a literal "extermination" of Jews yet, by means of manipulating context, is regularly portrayed and 'translated' as such by the Holocaust Industry.

2. The October 6th speech at Posen is also absent of anything that, when viewed in context with contemporary events and the rest of the speech, may be regarded as an admission to an 'extermination' policy.

3. The Holocaust Industry is largely dependent upon words such as "ausrotten" implying "extermination" when substantial evidence suggests there are far more appropriate interpretations.

My question would be, if there are so few reasons to regard these speeches as incriminating, why do some Revisionists continue to suggest they are forgeries (e.g. the Posen recording is fraudulent)? Obviously, this sort of variability in opinion is inevitable with those who are constantly challenging their beliefs (contrary to what Believers do), but is there really any reason to assume these speeches have been substantially manipulated? Or, would that have been unnecessary?

[Hannover]

The absurd claims about the Posen speech, among many reasons already listed, are complete BS because the claimed gassings are impossible as alleged and the alleged human remains of the unsupportable 6M Jews (plus the alleged 5-6M 'others') cannot be shown.

- Hannover

[Nüziders]

So is it a faked speech or is it a real speech and he just isn't really talking about extermination? I see both things claimed here. What's the consensus?

[Hannover]

So is it a faked speech or is it a real speech and he just isn't really talking about extermination? I see both things claimed here. What's the consensus?

There was a real speech by Himmler at Posen, but it's contents are misrepresented by those who gain from that misrepresentation.

more here:

'Posen speech'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=372

- Hannover

[Callahan]

There was a real speech by Himmler at Posen, but it's contents are misrepresented by those who gain from that misrepresentation.

I completely agree, I've just been trying to evaluate the extent they've gone to misrepresent it. I haven't seen anything that doesn't depend on a false context but some argue there has been a manipulation of content. It's probably a little of both but I'm just trying to understand why some supporters of Revisionism have suggested that, in particular, the Posen recording may have been fraudulent. It appears to be consistent with Document 1919-PS at Nuremberg, neither of which appear to contain any literal 'extermination' references.

[Hannover]

There was a real speech by Himmler at Posen, but it's contents are misrepresented by those who gain from that misrepresentation.

I completely agree, I've just been trying to evaluate the extent they've gone to misrepresent it. I haven't seen anything that doesn't depend on a false context but some argue there has been a manipulation of content. It's probably a little of both but I'm just trying to understand why some supporters of Revisionism have suggested that, in particular, the Posen recording may have been fraudulent. It appears to be consistent with Document 1919-PS at Nuremberg, neither of which appear to contain any literal 'extermination' references.

Jewish supremacists claim the absurd 'holocaust' was top secret, then they say the Germans used 'code words', but then they say that Himmler spoke directly to a large audience about 'exterminating Jews' at Posen ... and it was recorded.
That dog don't hunt.
I suggest you look at the link I gave previously. Again:
'Posen Speech'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=372

- Hannover

[Nüziders]

So is this the correct transcript? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Himml ... ,_1943.ogg

And if so, then what is being misrepresented?

[Hannover]

Nuezider, that 'translation' is easily shot down after 5 seconds of a quick look. Look at the German text, "ausrotten", the false English translation says "extermination", when in fact 'ausrotten' meant 'up rooting'. Typical lies used to market and profit from the impossible 'holocaust' nonsense. The 'ausrotten' silliness has been handled repeatedly at this forum.

Got the alleged mass graves to show us, Nueziders?
Want to tell us how the 'gas chambers' were supposed to have worked?

One cannot have an 'extermination' when the alleged weapon is utterly impossible and vasts amount of visible, verifiable human remains are nowhere to be seen. Basic stuff really.

Have you ready anything in this thread or the other one I linked to?

- Hannover

[Callahan]

Jewish supremacists claim the absurd 'holocaust' was top secret, then they say the Germans used 'code words', but then they say that Himmler spoke directly to a large audience about 'exterminating Jews' at Posen ... and it was recorded.
That dog don't hunt.
I suggest you look at the link I gave previously. Again:
'Posen Speech'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=372

- Hannover

I appreciate your responses, Hannover, and I've been through that thread a few times. I agree that the entire 'extermination' story is unsupported. I was only wondering, since the burden of proof isn't upon Revisionists to show the true context of these speeches, why some would bother trying to demonstrate them as fraudulent. It doesn't surprise me that this might be proposed since, after all, the hoax is chock-full of lies, I just think it's over-shooting the mark when there wasn't anything incriminating in these speeches to begin with. Either way, to suggest this speech or any opinion about it is a "smoking gun" for the 'Holocaust' is evidently absurd amidst a total lack of forensic evidence, legitimate documentation and free speech.

[Nüziders]

Nuezider, that 'translation' is easily shot down after 5 seconds of a quick look. Look at the German text, "ausrotten", the false English translation says "extermination", when in fact 'ausrotten' meant 'up rooting'. Typical lies used to market and profit from the impossible 'holocaust' nonsense. The 'ausrotten' silliness has been handled repeatedly at this forum.

Got the alleged mass graves to show us, Nueziders?
Want to tell us how the 'gas chambers' were supposed to have worked?

One cannot have an 'extermination' when the alleged weapon is utterly impossible and vasts amount of visible, verifiable human remains are nowhere to be seen. Basic stuff really.

Have you ready anything in this thread or the other one I linked to?

- Hannover

Yes I've read through the thread. I wasn't talking about the English translation, I was talking about the German transcript. Is that accurate or not?