Dear Mr Irving,
I regularly read the letters section of your website and they took me
to the pages where the conversations of German Officers were supposedly
secretly taped. Reading these conversations I noticed that many of these Officers were repeating 'Hear-say' situations, for example Lieutenant-Generals Elfeldt & Heim discussing the bulldozing of the ravine at Babi Yar. Neither officer had been present.
You finish the page by saying, 'In Sept 1941 the Germans or their collaborators are said to have killed over 33,000 people etc etc.' BUT I read on another revisionist website (VHO I believe) that no bodies
have ever been found at Babi Yar Ravine. What is true here?
Secondly who is to say that IF bodies were found at Babi Yar, just as they were found at Katyn & murdered previously by the Bolsheviks, that the Wehrmacht Sappers were not called in just to bury them. After all British Troops bulldozed bodies into pits in Bergen-Belsen did they not? This act in itself is no proof that the bulldozer drivers were the perpetrators.
The story about driving 100s of Russian Prisoners into caves in Khala,
gassing them and then blowing the caves up doesnt ring true either. The Russians because they 'noticed' something, 'broke away' and then returned, came back wringing their hands? If they had broken away, why
not just disappear into the woodwork, after all liberation was only days away?
Lastly, I have been a professional Film cameramann for many years and
one of the biggest challenges making movies is getting the sound right, thats why most sound is dubbed in afterwards. Hiding microphones in shrubs and trees sounds pretty neat but I dont buy it.....If it worked Filmmakers would use it, but we don't...If two or more People are walking / talking we have mikes following them all the time, even with modern professional mikes a turn of the head can lose the audio. Two men walking and having a private, half-whispered conversation needs a
dedicated on-the-job-sound-man.
Special mikes that pick up sound over long distances are available BUT if the subjects are moving these mikes usually need to be hand aimed, AND you cannot have them just hanging in trees. Where were the cables? And for every mike you'd need a tape-deck running constantly. Rain or Wind landing on a sound sensitive microphone and you can forget picking up conversations... Are you sure these conversations were not pre-recorded by Sefton Delmer because neither the 'mikes-in-the-trees' bit sounds real, nor do the conversations?
Sincerely, William Amner
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IRVINGS ANSWER TO ME:
The conversations are genuine, no doubt whatever. Some words are phonetically wrong, a very tiny number. Enormous pains were taken to
get the transcripts correct. I agree it is hearsay, and I make that plain.
David Irving (currently writing in Key West, Florida)
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MY ANSWER TO IRVING:
Thema: Re: Babi Yar still no bodies?
Datum: 25.07.03
An:
[email protected]Dear Mr Irving,
Thank you for answering my email and sorry for taking up your time
but :
a) You didnt answer my question as to whether bodies have subsequently been found in Babi Yar ? if Babi Yar turns out to be another
Treblinka (where no bodies were ever found) then the whole conversation below is an obvious fake....AND puts other conversations at that facility in
question.
TRANSLATION
Elfeldt: When we were in the Kiev district, my CO of signals (?) came back quite horrified ..... spoken ..... it was an engineer Bataillonskommandeur -- and this engineer Bataillon had the task of blowing up that ..... in which were those 32,000 Jews including women
and children.
Heim: Even if the figures are not correct, I mean, those are things which can absolutely be characterised as criminal, or even as completely crazy and mad.
Elfeldt:
In just the same way as I have obligations towards my family and my nation, so have we of curse a nation, certain rules which we must observe towards the rest of humanity, there's no doubt at all about that. I can't behave like wild beast.
b) The whole conversation is that of a Sundayschool play trying to impress on us the difference between good & evil., but not of two German Generals in 1944 discussing an event from 1941, especially as Germany was getting the tripe bombed out of it in 1944 and the 'certain rules we must observe towards the rest of humanity' (Elfeldt) were certainly NOT being observed by the Allied Airforces over Germany. WHY would Heim say 'even if the figures are not correct' and not something like...Mein Gott , what in hell happened there?
In 1944 the Germans knew about the massacres in Katyn, Bromberg, Lemberg, etc etc their own major losses around Moscow, Leningrad etc, the Partisan problems in the Ukraine and Baltic states. I have an older friend who was in the SS Div Handschar and he tells stories of how men from his unit, captured by Partisans had their hands tied behind their backs, butchers hooks put through their lower jaw and they were hung, alive & kicking in trees. How Russian / Jewish Partisans would grill live prisoners over fires like we grill pigs, who dug up the bodies of SS men killed in combat and cut the bodies to bits.... and here we have two Generals who MUST know these things also, getting sentimental about an event that supposedly happened years before.
I DONT BUY IT!
Those conversations do not sound 'echt'. I have since given the German scripts to two German friends to read and they just laughed and said....Unmöglich, Untypisch!! no need to translate that for you. Once again I must stress how primitive sound equipment was in 1944-45. The British first captured German AEG tapedecks towards the middle of the war, before that they had huge unwieldy metal decks etc as big as bathtubs...the sound quality was not good...getting multiple microphones plugged in was an act of God. I think British intelligence is carrying on its long history of treating us like mushrooms (keeping us in the dark and feeding us manure)
Sincerely, W. Amner
