Why Aktion T4 (euthanasia) workers involved in Aktion Reinhard(t) also?

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Often times as evidence that Operation Reinhard(t) was a program of extermination, it is pointed out that many of the individuals involved in this operation were also involved in the euthanasia program, in which those deemed mentally defective were euthanized ("Mercy killed"). Has there ever been a comprehensive explanation by revisionists of this point? So far all I can find with a quick search is this, written by Germar Rudolf in an epilogue to Graf and Mattogno's book on Treblinka:

1. Use of Euthanasia Staff during Operation Reinhardt

In discussing the postulated murder of the Jews in the so-called Operation Reinhardt camps, of which Treblinka was the largest, historians of the status quo identify the technical and organizational origins of this mass murder as to be found in the program of euthanasia, which was enforced as of the beginning of World War Two - the killing of so-called 'life not worthy of life,' in other words, mentally and/or severely physically disabled people. The reason for this assumption is the considerable overlap, i.e., continuity of staff in both areas.[936] However, it seems to me a very dubious practice to attempt to construe this continuity as evidence for the mass murder, since it may very well mean only that the leadership had wished to retain staff, which had previously proven loyal in one socially extremely controversial operation, for a subsequent, no less controversial purpose. But whether this controversial purpose was the resettlement, ghettoization, or mass murder of the Jews, is still an open question.[937]

There is, of course, an answer to this question, and it lies in the fate of many of the staff members involved in Operation Reinhardt after the eastern camps were closed.[938] Globocnik and the major part of his team of Operation Reinhardt were transferred to the Adriatic coast of northern Italy in late 1943. Globocnik became "Höherer SS- und Polizeiführer in der Operationszone Adriatisches Küstenland" (Higher SS and police leader in the operational zone Adriatic coast) under direct orders of the Chancellery of the Führer.[939] His staff was turned into a unit called "R" (probably for Reinhardt) engaged mainly in anti-partisan warfare, but to a minor degree also in the organization and deportation of Italian Jews to forced labor assignments in Germany. In this connection, a transit camp for the deportation of Jews was established in Risiera di San Sabba. Liliana Picciotto-Fargion writes in the regard:[940]

"The mechanism [of deportation] is not very different at the Adriatic coast: the prison of Coroneo di Trieste acted as a collection point for the deportations between December 1943 and March 1944 and was then replaced by the collection and transit camp located in Risiera di San Sabba (Polizeihaftlager)."

The author adds that one convoy of deportees from Italy included on average 500-600 persons,[940]

"while those coming from the Nazi operational zone Adriatic coast (Operationszone Adriatisches Küstenland) with 'capital' Trieste had on average only around 60-80 persons per convoy."

23 such convoys with a total of 1,173 Jews departed from this zone, most of them with the destination of Auschwitz.[941]

There is no doubt that the camp at Risiera di San Sabba was not an 'extermination camp,' and it is also clear that the main activity of Globocnik 's unit "R" was to fight partisans. Therefore, we have clear proof of deployment of the former staff of both euthanasia and Operation Reinhardt in a task that had nothing to do with the extermination of Jews. Thus, the fact of partial continuity of the personnel employed in the euthanasia with that employed in the Operation Reinhardt does not permit the conclusion that Jews were summarily exterminated in the Operation Reinhardt camps.

Moreover, Meyer 's claim that not only the euthanasia staff was transferred, but also their methods and equipment (gassing with carbon monoxide), is simply wrong. There is no evidence that the method used for killings during the euthanasia program - mainly bottled carbon monoxide - was ever used during the alleged Holocaust. Here we find claims to all sorts of methods, except the one used during euthanasia, which had proven to be highly effective. Today, Meyer and his co-dogmatists claim that the exhaust of diesel engines was used to kill people in Treblinka and Bełżec. Fritz Berg has shown in detail how absurd this claim is, indeed.[99] It is not only absurd because diesel exhaust gases hardly contain any carbon monoxide, but even more so because the Germans had an over-abundance of extremely poisonous devices available: hundred thousands of wood and coke gas generators, which were cheap and easy to operate and delivered a gas just as lethal as bottled carbon monoxide.

Considering that some of the staff of Operation Reinhardt had knowledge about homicidal techniques from the euthanasia program, this lack of transfer of method is strong circumstantial evidence that the Operation Reinhardt did not mean the killing of people.

Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?
https://codoh.com/library/chapter/1795/


From a previous post:

For reference, here is what http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org (H.E.A.R.T.) has to say on the T4 backgrounds of Reinhardt camp staff. Quotes are taken from http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... rship.html

Higher rank staff:

Christian Wirth - "Wirth personally participated in the first gassing experiments in Brandenburg"
Richard Thomalla - Not involved with T4
Irmfried Eberl - "Director of the Brandenburg euthanasia centre and in 1942 of the Bernburg euthanasia centre."
Kurt Hubert Franz - "service as a cook in the euthanasia institutes at Grafeneck, Hartheim, Sonnenstein and Brandenburg"
Gotlieb Hering - "Chief of the Registry offices of Bernburg, Sonnenstein, and Hadamar"
Karl Franz Reichleitner - "Served as chief of the office at the euthanasia killing centre at Hartheim"
Franz Paul Stangl - "In 1940 he worked at the Hartheim euthanasia killing centre, as Police supervisor"

Lower rank staff in alphabetical order:

Kurt Arndt - "Served at Hadamar euthanasia centre, as part of a police detachment."
Rudolf Bar - "Cook at Bernburg euthanasia centre, perhaps also at Brandenburg."
Heinrich Barbl - "Served at the euthanasia killing centre of Hartheim preparing metal discs for the urns with the names of the deceased. "
Ernst Bauch - "Served at Bernburg and Sonnenstein euthanasia centres."
Erich Bauer - "A driver for T4."
Werner Becher - "Served as a driver at Sonnenstein euthanasia centre."
Rudolf Beckmann - "Probably served in Hartheim Euthanasia Centre."
Max Biala - "Served at Oranienburg/ Sachenhausen Concentration camp, and at Brandenburg and Bernburg euthanasia centers as a guard."
Gunter Erich Werner Blaurock - No T4 involvment. According to HEART Blaurock was a pseudonym. Allegedly attended (supposed) first experimental killings at Sobibor.
Boelitz - Another of those Reinhardt unknowns known only from witness testimony.
Heinz Kurt Bolender - "Served as a “Burner” at Sonnenstein euthanasia centre"
Helmut Bootz - "Served at Bernburg euthanasia centre from late October 1940 until the spring of 1942, as a guard and at the post office"
Gerhardt Borner - "Chief of economics at Sonnenstein"
Werner Borowski - "Served at Bernburg euthanasia centre as economic chief."
Paul Bredow - "by profession a Male nurse, he served at Grafeneck and Hartheim euthanasia centres"
Max Bree - "Served at Grafeneck and Hadamar."
Arthur Dachsel - "Dachsel was a “burner” at Sonnestein."
Erich Dietze - "Worked at the office in Sonnestein."
Karl Werner Dubois - "Bus driver in Brandenburg and Grafeneck, “Burner” and bus driver in Bernburg from early 1941 to mid 1941 and burner at Hadamar."
Karl Eiselt - Civilian employee(!) of the SS allegedly operating the excavator at Treblinka. No T4 involvement known.
Johannes Eisold - Another civilian excavator operator. "Male nurse in Sonnenstein euthanasia centre"
Rudolf Emmerich - Deutsche Reichbahn employee. No T4 involvement.
Reinhold Feix - No T4 involvement known.
Hermann Felfe - "Male nurse at Sonnenstein euthanasia centre, served at Grafeneck euthanasia centre as well."
Erwin Fichtner - "joined T4 in 1939, cook at Bernburg"
Florian - another Reinhardt unknown.
Herbert Floss - "Served at KZ Buchenwald and Bernburg euthanasia centre."
Alfred Forker - "Served as a male nurse at Sonnenstein euthanasia centre."
Karl Frenzel - "He was ordered to Grafeneck euthanasia as a guard and worked in the laundry. Then he served at Bernburg for a short time as a construction worker. In Hadamar he converted the cellars of the hospital into gas chambers, whereupon on its completion he became a disinfector, or as he called himself the “Brenner”(burner). Here he carried out the gassing of people and the burning of the corpses."
Erich Fuchs - "Worked as a driver for Dr. Eberl in the euthanasia centres Brandenburg and Bernburg, and was as he expressed himself “an interested spectator” at the gassing of 50 mental patients."
Frederich Gaulstich - No known T4 involvement.
Adolf Gentz - No known T4 involvement.
Antoni Getzinger - "Served at Hartheim euthanasia centre."
Hans Girtzig - "Served at Grafeneck and Hartheim euthanasia centres, in Hartheim he was chief of the canteen."
Heinrich Gley - "Served at Grafeneck and Sonnenstein euthanasia centres"
Rudolf Gockel - Reichsbahn/Ostbahn employee. No T4 involvement.
Hubert Gomerski - "Served at the Hadamar euthanasia centre"
Siegfried Graetschus - "posted to Bernburg euthanasia centre"
Karl Gringers - "Served at Hadamar, Hartheim, and Bernburg euthanasia centers."
Ferdinand Gromer - "Served at Hartheim, possibly a cook."
Willi Grosmann - "posted to the police in Dresden, then subsequently to Sonnenstein euthanasia centre, where he served as a guard."
Paul Groth - "Served at the Hatheim euthanasia centre."
Emil Hackel - "Served at the Sonnenstein euthanasia centre, as a burner."
Lorenz Hackelholt - "Posted to Sonnenstein euthanasia centre, as a driver, and also served at Grafeneck euthanasia centre. Posted to Lublin in late 1941 and then onto Belzec where initially he supervised the garage, and played a leading role in converting a postal van into a mobile gassing wagon.[!]"
August Hengst - "Served at the Brandenburg euthanasia centre where he installed the kitchen. At Bernburg euthanasia centre also a cook from November 1940 until early 1942."
Josef Hermann - No known T4 involvement.
Richard Hiller - No known T4 involvement.
Fritz Hirche - "Chief of office and captain of the Schutzpolizei at Bernburg euthanasia centre, and then Hartheim euthanasia centre"
Josef Hirtreiter - "he was posted to the Hadamar euthanasia centre where he worked in the kitchen and the office."
Franz Hodl - "Chief of Gekrat squadron, he drove the Gekrat buses at Hartheim euthanasia centre from April 1939 to January 1942."
Otto Horn - "posted to Sonnenstein Euthanasia centre, where he served as a male nurse, as a member of T4"
Alfred Ittner - "served at the T4 office in Berlin, as a bookkeeper and driver"
Fritz Jirmann - No known T4 involvement.
Robert Jurs - "posted to Hadamar euthanasia centre, where he was employed as a male nurse, painter and clerk until late 1941."
Erwin Kainer - "served at the Hadamar euthanasia centre"
Rudolf Kamm - "Served at the Sonnenstein euthanasia centre, as a “burner""
Otto Kilminski - "Served in Hadamar euthanasia centre as a driver."
Johannes Klahan - "Served at the Sonnenstein euthanasia centre as a male nurse."
Johann Klier - "posted to Hadamar euthanasia centre as a construction worker and in the cellar, looking after the central heating system"
Walter Klos - "Served as a driver in Sonnenstein euthanasia centre."
Konrad Fritz - "Served as a male nurse in Sonnenstein and Grafeneck euthanasia centres."
Fritz Kraschewski - "Served at Grafeneck and probably Hadamar euthanasia centres."
Kurt Kuttner - No known T4 involvement. "Experienced police officer who had also been a prison warder"
Erich Lachmann - No known T4 involvement.
Erwin Hermann Lambert - "Installed the gas chambers at the Hartheim, Sonnenstein, Bernburg, and Hadamar."
Lehmann - Reinhardt unknown.
Adolf Lindenmuller - No known T4 involvement.
Alfred Loffler - No known T4 involvement.
Friedrich Lorent - "Chief of T4 economics from 1942, responsible for the supply of gas cylinders. Served at the Hartheim euthanasia centre."
Karl Emil Ludwig - "driver for T4 Headquarters."
Heinrich Arthur Matthes - "spent a short time in the photo section of T4."
Willy Matzig - "served as a guard at the Brandenburg euthanasia centre for one year. In 1941 posted to Bernburg euthanasia centre as a guard and an administration assistant."
Werner Mauersberger - No known T4 involvement.
Kurt Meidkur - Reinhardt unknown.
Willi Mentz - "Joined T4 and in 1940 took care of cows and pigs at Grafeneck euthanasia centre and from 1941 to the early summer of 1942 worked in the gardens of Hadamar euthanasia centre." Allegedly worked at the "Lazarett" in Treblinka shooting people.
Hermann Michel - "Worked at the Hartheim euthanasia centre"
August Wilhelm Miete - "posted to Hadamar euthanasia centre"
Max Moller - Male nurse and member of police unit but no known T4 involvement.
Adolf Muller - No known T4 involvement.
Gustav Munzberger - "posted to the Sonnenstein euthanasia centre, where he worked as a carpenter and an assistant cook."
Johann Niemann - No known T4 involvement. Formerly posted at Sachsenhausen.
Walter Novak - "served at the Sonnenstein euthanasia centre."
Josef Oberhauser - "posted to Grafeneck, Brandenburg and Bernburg euthanasia centres"
Orliewski - "served in Sonnenstein as a “burner”. "
Karl-Heinz Plikat - No known T4 involvement.
Philip Post - "Served at the Hadamar euthanasia centre."
Karl Potzinger - "Posted to Brandenburg and Bernburg euthanasia centres, he was a “burner""
Wenzel Rehwald - "Served at Sonnenstein euthanasia centre as a “burner”."
Kurt Richter - "Served at Sonnenstein euthanasia centre as a driver, and also at Hartheim euthanasia centre."
Paul Rost - "posted to Sonnenstein euthanasia centre, where he served as chief of the police squad and transportation commando."
Rotner - Reinhardt unknown.
Franz Albert Rum - "Worked at T4 headquarters in Berlin as a photographic expert."
Walter Ryba - No known T4 involvement.
Herbert Scharfe - "Served in the economics office of the Sonnenstein euthanasia centre"
Ernst Schemmel - "Served as the adminstration Head of Sonnenstein euthanasia centre, and at Hartheim euthanasia centre as well."
Karl Schiffner - "served at Sonnenstein euthanasia centre as a carpenter"
Karl Alfred Schluch - "Served at Grafeneck and Hadamar euthanasia centres"
Fritz Schmidt - "Served at Sonnenstein euthanasia centre as a guard and driver, and also in 1941 at Bernburg euthanasia centre."
Richard Schuh - No known T4 involvement.
Emanuel Schulz - "Served at Grafeneck, Hadamar,and Sonnenstein euthanasia centres as a “burner”."
Ernst Schumacher - No known T4 involvement.
Hans-Heinz Schutt - "Served in Grafeneck and Hadamar euthanasia centres as chief of the office."
Gottfried Johann Schwartz - "Served at Grafeneck and Bernburg euthanasia centres, as a “burner”."
Kurt Seidel - "Served at Sonnenstein euthanasia centre, as a male nurse and in the office."
Erich Sporleder - "Served in Brandenburg and Bernburg euthanasia centres, up to March 1943"
Otto Stadie - "From mid-1941 he was at Bernburg euthanasia centre"
Thomas Steffl - No known T4 involvement.
Erwin Stengelin - "Served at Hadamar euthanasia centre."
Karl Steubl - "Served at Hartheim euthanasia centre as a Senior Male nurse."
Strebelow - Reinhardt unknown.
Franz Suchomel - "photographic section in Berlin and Hadamar euthanasia centre"
Hermann Sydow - No known T4 involvement.
Friedrich Tauscher - "Worked as a supervisor at the registry office of Sonnenstein euthanasia centre, and also at Brandenburg and Hartheim euthanasia centres."
Heinrich Unverhau - "He joined T4 and worked at the Hadamar and Grafeneck euthanasia centres from January 1940 to early 1942. There he escorted victims to the gas chambers, injected sedatives, ventilated the gas chambers, and dealt with the disposal of the bodies and property."
Josef Vallaster - "Served at Hartheim euthanasia centre, as “chief burner”."
Kurt Vey - No known T4 involvement.
Gustav Franz Wagner - "Served at Hartheim euthanasia centre."
Arthur Walter - "Served at the economic office at Sonnenstein euthanasia centre, and at Hartheim euthanasia centre as well."
Bruno Weiss - No known T4 involvement.
Wilhelm Wendland - "Served at Sonnenstein euthanasia centre as a “burner”."
Franz Wolf - "ordered to the KdF in Berlin, then onto T4 and finally to the T4 euthanasia centre at Hadamar."
Josef Wolf - Brother of Franz Wolf. Alleged T4 member but posting specified by HEART.
Hanz Zanker - "Served as chief of the kitchen at Sonnenstein euthanasia centre"
Fritz Zaspel - "Served as a male nurse at Sonnenstein euthanasia centre"
Ernst Zierke - "Served as a driver at Grafeneck, Hadamar and Sonnenstein"

So it seems there was considerable overlap here.

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Recommended:

5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)
viewtopic.php?t=12359

'Where did they go?' / Jews Transited through Treblinka further refute extermination claims
viewtopic.php?t=12417

[Book] The “Extermination Camps” of “Aktion Reinhardt”
https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/28-tecoar-long.pdf

Evidence for the German Euthanasia Program Compared to the Holocaust
viewtopic.php?t=11393

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How informative that http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... rship.html does not actually show the material listed as "sources" for it's claims about these people.
They rather appear to be just making empty claims to suit their biased agenda. Of course that surprises no one.
B.

[Lamprecht]

This topic is discussed quite in-depth in Mattogno, Graf & Kues' book on Sobibor, especially section "8.5. Euthanasia and Aktion Reinhardt".

- It is alleged that the Aktion T4 Euthanasia program used homicidal gas chambers with bottles of CO (Carbon monoxide). Exterminationists claim that various individuals involved in the T4 program filled key posts in Aktion Reinhardt (mostly Sobibor, Belzec, & Treblinka) which are alleged to have gassed millions of Jews with diesel or gasoline exhaust. They argue that they were employed here because of their expertise in killing people with poison gas, and replace the alleged CO cylinders with diesel or gasoline exhaust.

- There is no question that some former euthanasia staff members were transferred to these Reinhardt camps, but this does not prove anything sinister. Why were they not sent to Auschwitz? It is claimed that the T4 program used CO bottles, the AR camps allegedly used gasoline or diesel exhaust, and Auschwitz allegedly used Zyklon-B. Why the discrepancies? If the euthanasia program was involved, why wouldn't they use the same alleged gassing method?

- There is actually no documentary evidence that the euthanasia program included homicidal gas chambers of any sorts.

- It is also possible that in the context of a transit camp, severely disabled, diseased, dying, or mentally ill people in transit were euthanized at the camp (but not via gas chambers).

8.3. Alleged Genesis and Organization of the Extermination Camps of Aktion Reinhardt
8.3.1. Administration and Financing

At the Stuttgart congress mentioned above, Hilberg presented a paper entitled Die Aktion Reinhard, in which he stated:[737]

“The initial phase of Aktion Reinhard raises three separate questions. Why were there three camps instead of only one? Why were they built in succession, Bełżec first, then Sobibór, and finally Treblinka? Why did each camp have only three gas chambers when they turned out to be insufficient? One could argue that they were approaching the objective hesitatingly, without having a clear view of it. That is not really inconceivable, but is is certainly not the complete explanation, and perhaps not even the most important one. It was, to sum it up, a difficult administrative problem. For the ‘Final solution of the Jewish question,’ the Third Reich had neither a central agency nor even a separate budget.”

As far as the alleged extermination camps of Aktion Reinhardt are concerned, this explanation is clearly wrong even from the Holocaust point of view, because “a central agency” did indeed exist, with its line of command Himmler→Globocnik→Höfle→Wirth,[738] whereas the financing could be provided for by the economic proceeds from Aktion Reinhardt, i.e. the goods confiscated from the Jews.

The facts set out by Hilberg in the form of questions are thus inexplicable.

Hence, if we followed mainstream Holocaust historiography, we would have three chains of command regarding the gas chambers:

– Hitler → Führer Chancellery[739] → KTI[740] → Carbon monoxide in steel cylinders → euthanasia institutes → Gaswagen → Chełmno;

– Hitler → Himmler → Eichmann → Höß → Zyklon B → Auschwitz/Majdanek;

– Himmler → Globocnik → Höfle → Wirth → exhaust gases → Bełżec/Sobibór/Treblinka.

This creates obvious and serious problems, especially as far as the choice of the “weapon of the crime” is concerned, which mainstream Holocaust historiography has never been able to solve. We will return to this question in section 8.5. below.
[...]

8.5. Euthanasia and Aktion Reinhardt

Yitzhak Arad summarizes the Holocaust story of euthanasia in the following words:[811]

“At the beginning of World War II, Hitler signed the following order: ‘Reichsleiter Bouhler and Dr. [Karl] Brandt [Hitler’s personal physician] are charged with the responsibility for expanding the authority of individual physicians, with a view to enable them, after the most critical examination in the realm of human knowledge, to administer to incurably sick persons a mercy death.’

The man directly in charge of the euthanasia operations was Viktor Brack, a high official in the Chancellery of the Führer and subordinate to Bouhler. The T4[812] organisation established several institutions throughout Germany. The mentally ill destined for elimination were placed in hermetically sealed rooms, into which carbon monoxide was introduced; they died within a short time. Some victims were killed by injections of poison. All bodily remains were cremated.

A request from Himmler to Bouhler in the summer of 1940 enlarged the euthanasia program to encompass sick concentration camp detainees from the camps inside Germany under SS supervision. Some of the detainees were Jews. They were removed from their camps to the euthanasia centers and were murdered there. The code name for this operation was 14F13. As a result of internal pressure within Nazi Germany, Hitler ordered the termination of the euthanasia program at the end of August 1941. However, sporadic killings of small groups of ‘incurable victims’ continued in some euthanasia institutions after this date.”

A short while laster Arad notes:[813]

“The most important group of Operation Reinhard came from the euthanasia program. They brought with them knowledge and experience in setting up and operating gassing institutions for mass murder. They filled the key posts involved with the extermination methods, the planning and construction of three death camps – Bełżec, Sobibór, and Treblinka – and the command over these camps. Viktor Brack gave evidence in his trial after the war about the transfer of the euthanasia personnel to Operation Reinhard: ‘In 1941, I received an oral order to discontinue the euthanasia program. In order to retain the personnel that had been relieved of these duties and in order to be able to start a new euthanasia program after the war, Bouhler asked me – I think after a conference with Himmler – to send this personnel to Lublin and place it at the disposal of SS Brigadeführer Globocnik.’

The first group of euthanasia personnel, numbering a few dozen men, arrived at Lublin between the end of October and the end of December 1941. Among them was Kriminalkommissar of Police Christian Wirth, the highest-ranking officier from the euthanasia program assigned to Operation Reinhard, and Oberscharführer Josef Oberhauser. Additional people from the euthanasia program arrived in Lublin during the first months of 1942. Viktor Brack visited Lublin at the beginning of May 1942 and discussed with Globocnik the contribution of the euthanasia organization to the task of exterminating Jews.”

As for the deployment of euthanasia personnel at the “Aktion Reinhardt” camps, the following documentary evidence may be brought fourth. On 23 June 1942 the organizer of the euthanasia program, SS-Oberführer Viktor Brack, sent a letter to Himmler in which he stated:[814]

“In accordance with my orders from Reichsleiter Bouhler I have long ago put at Brigadeführer Globocnik’s disposal part of my manpower to aid him in carrying out his special mission. Upon his renewed request I have now transferred to him additional personnel.”

Later in the same letter Globocnik’s “special mission” is identified as “the action against the Jews”. This can only mean that Brack had part of his euthanasia staff transferred to “Aktion Reinhardt.” We furthermore have documentary proof that two individual members of the euthanasia staff were present in the Reinhardt camps. The physician Dr. Irmfried Eberl served as the medical director of the euthanasia institutes in Brandenburg and Bernburg. In the summer of 1942 he was transferred to Treblinka II, where he served as the first commandant of the camp.

Both the involvement in the euthanasia program and the transfer to Treblinka is confirmed by Eberl’s preserved personal correspondence, part of which has been published by his biographer Michael Grabher.[815] Secondly, Christian Wirth is mentioned as belonging to the Dienststelle of Brack in a letter of recommendation dated 21 August 1941.[816] In another letter addressed to Kuno Ther and dated 13 April 1943, Polizeimajor Christian Wirth is identified as the “responsible inspector” (verantwortlicher Inspektor) of the Reinhardt camps.[817] He is again mentioned prominently in the letter sent by Globocnik to von Herff on 13 April 1943 concerning Himmler’s visit to “installations of ‘Aktion Reinhard.’”[818]

Thus there is no doubt that euthanasia staff members were indeed transferred to the Reinhardt camps. This fact is supposed to prove that these camps were extermination camps for Jews. These men are said to have built homicidal gas chambers there, similar in design to those allegedly used under the T4 program, and to have merely replaced the carbon monoxide cylinders by the exhaust gases from a Diesel engine.

From this point of view one cannot understand the fact that these men, whose specialty and training were to kill innocent people, were sent to the Russian front in the winter of 1942 in order to save the lives of wounded German soldiers. On 12 January 1942 the physician Dr. Fritz Mennecke wrote to his wife:[819]

“Since the day before yesterday a large delegation from our organisation, headed by Herr Brack, is on the battlefields of the East to help in saving our wounded in the ice and snow. They include doctors, clerks, nurses, and male nurses from Hadamar and Sonnenstein, a whole detachment of 20-30 persons. This is a top secret. Only those persons who could not be spared were excluded.”

Heinrich Gley, for example, was transferred from Sonnenstein to Minsk[820] in January of 1942 together with male and female nurses from other institutions. They were employed up to March and April 1942 “for the transportation of the wounded and of soldiers who were suffering from chillblains,” after which they were all sent back to their original stations.[821] Karl Schluch, too, was sent to the eastern front in the winter of 1941 and stayed there until some time in February or March of 1942. He had to “help bring wounded soldiers back.”[822] The same applies to Werner Karl Dubois, who stayed at this job until April of 1942.[823]

From the Holocaust perspective it cannot be explained why the euthanasia personnel were sent out to build gas chambers for Aktion Reinhardt but not at Auschwitz. After all, the so-called “Sonderbehandlung 14f13,” i.e. the extension of the euthanasia program to the concentration camps, should have entailed such a move, all the more so as Reitlinger tells us that the Jewish detainees were included “merely for being Jews.”[824] According to Danuta Czech’s Kalendarium, Dr. Horst Schumann, the head of the Hadamar euthanasia institution, arrived at Auschwitz on 28 July 1941, leading a Sonderkommission which had the task of selecting “all invalids, cripples, and chronically ill” who were then sent to Sonnenstein to be gassed. This happened on Himmler’s orders.[825]

Brack, however, declared that the order to transfer the euthanasia personnel to Lublin and to put it at Globocnik’s disposition could have come “only from Himmler.”[826] Yet if Himmler was indeed running all at once Aktion Reinhardt, Sonderbehandlung 14f13, and the alleged extermination program at Auschwitz, which he is said to have explained to Rudolf Höß in June of 1941,[827] then it is all the more inconceivable that the road leading to homicidal gas chambers at this camp should have been an entirely different one, without the euthanasia program being the least bit involved. The same reasoning applies to Chełmno.

Still, this point is not the only questionable one in the Holocaust thesis. Along the chain of events tying the euthanasia program to the alleged extermination of the Jews in the camps of Aktion Reinhardt exists a fundamental link: the plan to exterminate the Jews apt to work in the East. During the trial of the physicians in Nuremberg after the war this argument was set out in the following words:[828]

“In October 1941, Brack, the administrative head of the Euthanasia Program, forwarded plans whereby Jews who were unable to work should be exterminated by gas. He declared his readiness to send some of his assistants and especially his chemist, Kallmeyer, to the East, where the necessary gassing apparatus could be easily manufactured.

Eichmann, whom Hitler had charged with the extermination of the Jews, was in agreement with these plans. Consequently, there were ‘no objections to doing away with those Jews who are unable to work, by means of the Brack remedy.’[829] Kallmeyer, who was charged with the manufacture of the gassing apparatus and equipment, had been trained for this task in the Euthanasia Program. Previously he had been responsible for the proper operation of the gas chambers of the different euthanasia institutions.”

The foregoing is a summary of the draft of a letter, allegedly drawn up by Amtsgerichtsrat E. Wetzel, Sonderdezernent für Rassenpolitik (special secretary for racial policy) in the Ministry of the East, addressed to Hinrich Lohse, Reichskommissar für das Ostland. The letter dated 25 October 1941 deals with the “solution of the Jewish question.” The policy of deportation to the East is clearly confirmed:

“According to Sturmbannführer Eichmann, camps for Jews are to be set up at Riga and Minsk, with Jews from the Altreich possibly being sent there as well. At the moment Jews from the Altreich are being evacuated to Litzmannstadt, but they may also be moved to other camps, later on to be employed for work in the East to the extent that they are physically apt.”

The novelty consisted in the plan to kill the unfit Jews in camps yet to be set up at Riga and at Minsk. The killing was to be carried out by means of “gassing equipment” (the “Brack remedy” mentioned above). However, “as Brack thinks that the manufacture of the equipment in the Reich is much more difficult than on site, Brack suggests to detach his staff, in particular his chemist Dr. Kallmeyer, to Riga to take care of the necessary arrangements.”[830]

But what kind of “gassing equipment” are we dealing with? At the trial of the physicians, Brack described it as follows:[831]

“Then the patients were led to a gas chamber and were there killed by the doctors with carbon monoxide gas (CO).

Q. Where was that carbon monoxide obtained, by what process?

A. It was in a compressed gas container, like a steel oxygen container, such as is used for welding – a hollow steel container.

Q. And these people were placed in this chamber in groups, I suppose, and then the monoxide was turned into the chambers? […].

A. No special gas chamber was built. A room suitable in the hospital was used, a room of necessity attached to the reception ward and to the room where the insane persons were kept. This room was made into a gas chamber. It was sealed, given special doors and windows, and then a few meters of gas piping were laid, or some kind of piping with holes in it. Outside this room there was a container, a compressed gas container with the necessary apparatus, that is a pressure gauge, etc.”

Hence we are essentially dealing with carbon monoxide cylinders. But why would it have been easier to find them in Riga or Minsk rather than at home in the Reich? It would rather seem to be the other way around.

In this document, the date – 25 October 1941 – is crucial, because it has devastating consequences for the Holocaust theory. First of all, as we have seen above, the alleged Führerbefehl, which Himmler allegedly transmitted to Höß in June of 1941, concerned “all Jews whom we can seize… without exception,” i.e. also those fit for work. We must therefore ask: Who ruled that those fit for work should be spared, and why and when was this done?

Secondly, the execution of the alleged extermination plan for the East, sketched out in Wetzel’s letter, was not carried out. On this point Y. Arad says:[832]

“But the proposal of Dr. Wetzel and of Brack was not implemented in Ostland. The unemployed ‘euthanasia’ personnel were assigned to another and bigger task – the erection of camps with gassing facilities, where the annihilation of the Jews in the Nazi-occupied territories of Poland would be carried out.”

Schelvis, on the other hand, tells us that “it is certain that on 13 October 1941 Hitler ordered the Bełżec extermination camp to be built…,” i.e. just before the date of Wetzel’s letter, and anyway the construction of this camp began “with certainty” on 1st November. Therefore, within the span of six days (i.e. between 25 October and 1st November, 1941) it was decided to abandon the idea of killing only the Jews unfit for work and to implement the general extermination of all Jews, including those fit for work, in the General Government – who took the decision, when, and why?

On the other hand, the western Jews quietly continued to be deported to Riga and Minsk[833] without those unfit for work being assassinated. The “Summary report for 16 October 1941 to 31 January 1942” of Einsatzgruppe A states that, as far as Riga and Minsk were concerned, by the final date of the report 20,000 Jews had been taken to Riga and 7,000 to Minsk and housed in reception camps. Some 70-80% were women, children, and old people, but still there were no mass executions; only “in individual cases Jews having a contagious disease were […] selected and executed.”[834]

But the Holocaust thesis contains further complications: The chemist Helmut Kallmeyer mentioned by Wetzel in his letter was described at the trial of the physicians as “the technical expert on operation of the gas chambers in the euthanasia station.”[835] Nevertheless, he took no part in the planning or the construction of the alleged gas chambers of Aktion Reinhardt, although all the prerequisites for such a participation apparently existed. On 6 September 1941 he was transferred to the euthanasia headquarters at Tiergartenstrasse in Berlin and remained there “unemployed” through January of 1942. In January or February of 1942 he was ordered to go to Lublin, where he presented himself to an office of the police or the SS, but was not given any specific assignment. After a week he was sent back to Berlin to do analytical work on drinking water.[836]

The task of planning and building the alleged gas chambers is claimed to have instead been entrusted to SS-Scharführer (staff sergeant) Lorenz Hackenholt for Bełżec, to him and SS-Unterscharführer (sergeant) Erwin Lambert for Treblinka, and to the same pair for the enlargement of the “gassing station” at Sobibór.[837] They are reported to have been helped by a mysterious chemist named Blaurock or Blaubacke.[838]

And Brack’s “gassing equipment”? How, when, why, and on whose orders was it replaced by an engine? Nobody seems to know…

Let us make a final remark on these alleged experts in gas chambers. In his annotated book on euthanasia Henry Friedländer dedicates only a couple of lines to Hackenholt:[839]

“In the fall of 1939, Dubois was recruited by T4, together with his friend Lorenz Hackenholt, who would later operate the diesel engine at the Bełżec gas chambers.”

However, his involvement in the alleged gas chambers at Bełżec is mentioned only in the “Gerstein report”! About Lambert, on the other hand, Friedländer has more to tell. He makes him “master mason and building trades foreman”[840] and asserts that “he served as T4 ‘expert for the construction of gas chambers,’”[841] and that therefore “Lambert’s testimony that he only erected room dividers and installed doors is simply not believable.”[841]

Within the Holocaust debate, though, it is Friedländer’s assertion which is not believable.

Brack declared during his interrogation:[842]

“Q. How large were these gas chambers?

A. They were of different sizes. It was simply an adjoining room. I can’t remember whether they were 4 × 5 meters, or 5 × 6 meters. Simply normal sized rooms, but I can’t tell you the exact size. It was too long ago. I can’t remember.

Q. Were they as large as this courtroom?

A. No. They were just normal rooms.

Q. Well, a man of your intelligence must have some idea about the size of these rooms. The assertion ‘normal size’ doesn’t mean anything in particular.

A. By that I mean the size of the normal room in a normal house. I didn’t mean an assembly room or a cell either. I meant a room, but I can’t tell you the exact size because I really don’t know it. It might have been 4 × 5 meters, or 5 × 6 meters, or 3½ × 4½, but I really don’t know. I didn’t pay much attention to it.”

We have already underlined above his statement to the effect that in the euthanasia institutions “no special gas chamber was built” and that the patients were “killed by the doctors with carbon monoxide gas,” which means that the latter were operating the “gassing devices.” In this context Lambert’s job could have merely been that of a simple bricklayer, someone setting up partitions and putting in doors, as he had always maintained. It thus makes no sense to say that this bricklayer was an “expert for the construction of gas chambers.”

We must also consider the fact that, if the order to build Bełżec was given on 13 October 1941 as Schelvis asserts, the only extermination system available at the time were the “gassing devices.” Wetzel’s letter (cf. above) says in this regard:[843]

“Head of department Brack indicates that the process in question is not without risk and that special protective measures are required.”

For that very reason Kallmeyer’s trip to Riga had been requested. How can it be, then, that the construction of the alleged gas chambers at Bełżec was entrusted to two simpletons, Hackenholt and Lambert?

Any transformation or adaptation of those “gassing devices” supposedly used in the Aktion Reinhardt camps should instead have been the task of the two alleged experts in homicidal gas chambers: Kallmeyer and Widmann.

But Kallmeyer has declared that he had never had anything to do with gas chambers while working on the T4 project, never to have travelled to Riga nor to any other alleged extermination camp,[844] and no one has ever disputed this. Not even Albert Widmann who headed the section V D 2 (Chemistry and Biology) at Kriminaltechnisches Institut (KTI, institute for forensic techniques) within the RSHA played a role in this project, although he said that he had discussed with Brack “the technical details of the implementation” of the gassing of mental patients with carbon monoxide.[845] But then, who was in charge? Two nincompoops promoted by mainstream Holocaust historiography to the rank of “experts” just because there was nobody else around?

Actually, as we have already mentioned, there is no documentary proof that the euthanasia institutions were equipped with homicidal gas chambers.[846] Therefore there is no basis for the official thesis that the alleged gas chambers of the Aktion Reinhardt camps were built by T4 staff along the lines of those of the euthanasia institutions.

What is even less valid is the alleged proof of the secrecy surrounding all this. In this respect M. Novitch wrote:[847]

“Euthanasia was treated as a state secret, and all its participants were sworn to silence. Operation Reinhard was also a state secret; he who had not taken a vow of silence in Berlin had to do so in Trawniki. They signed the following proclamation: ‘Any member belonging to the team of the death camps swears that he has been instructed by Sturmbannführer Hoefle, commander of the head office of Operation Reinhard, not to reveal any information, oral or written, on the resettlement of Jews.’ It was stressed that anyone divulging a secret would be severely punished; it was also forbidden to take photographs of the camp.”

Leaving aside the straightforward lie regarding the “death camps,”[848] the obligation to secrecy concerned everybody, including the firms working in the concentration camps. These companies had to sign a “Verpflichtungserklärung zur Geheimhaltung” (declaration of commitment to secrecy) which covered leakage of information and the taking of photographs and threatened any such acts with the punishments for high treason.[849]

On the other hand, the Holocaust thesis discussed above is neither the only one nor even the one most compatible with the circumstances. As it is certain that the National-Socialist policy in respect of the Jews did not aim at their extermination but at their deportation to the East, as there is no documentary evidence which would indicate that this deportation policy was ever reversed or interrupted in a manner which might correspond to the elusive Führerbefehl, the only reasonable conclusion which mainstream historiography could draw from the transfer of a portion of the T4 staff to the Aktion Reinhardt camps would be the extension of the euthanasia program to the Jews who were to be moved to the East.[850]

In such a case, however, the deportees in the camps would not all have been assassinated (except for a handful selected for work), but only a small fraction of them. One could thus no longer speak of pure extermination camps. Bełżec, Sobibór, and Treblinka would thus have had a double function: a principal function as a transit camp for the resettlement to the East, and a secondary function as a euthanasia center for the mentally ill or the incurably sick.

This conclusion would also explain the double chain of command applying to those camps:

Führer chancellery → Wirth: for euthanasia

Himmler → Globocnik: for the deportation.

It would also be in agreement with the (low) quantitative material findings at Bełżec and Sobibór (mass graves and ash) which cannot be integrated in any way into the thesis of extermination.

The official thesis discussed above contains, moreover, a fundamental incongruity. The reasoning of the verdict for the Sobibór trial states:[851]

“This command had the task of helping the sick and the disabled as well as the children which were not accompanying the women on the normal path to extermination to climb into vehicles. German guards, in an effort to make them or keep them unsuspicious as to the killing plan, explained to these arrivals that they would be taken to the camp ‘sick-bay.’ They were taken to the stretch of woods east of camp III and were then shot and interred by members of the German and Ukrainian camp personnel near a hollow not far from the camp road.”

This would mean that the people who would have corresponded best to the category of euthanasia victims were not led to the gas chambers in the Aktion Reinhardt camps but taken to a fake “sick-bay” and shot. There is no sensible motive for such a procedure. From all traditional points of view, these people would have constituted a group of victims whose fate would not even have had to be discussed in any way. The only open question could have possibly been whether they should be given a gas chamber of their own, all the more so as Himmler, who is claimed to have been disgusted by the shooting of the Jews, is said to have ordered Artur Nebe, the head of Einsatzgruppe C, in August of 1941 to devise a more humane system of killing. Eventually, this effort is said to have resulted in the invention of the “gas wagons,”[852] alleged gas chambers like those at Sobibór but mobile rather than stationary.

In conclusion we can say that, even if Brack’s “gassing devices” were perfectly documented, the detachment of the staff of the euthanasia program to the Aktion Reinhardt camps would not necessarily demonstrate that these camps were sites of mass exterminations.

Sobibór—Holocaust Propaganda and Reality
http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/19-s.pdf

[Hannover]

Lamprecht :

- There is no question that some former euthanasia staff members were transferred to these Reinhardt camps, but this does not prove anything sinister. Why were they not sent to Auschwitz? It is claimed that the T4 program used CO bottles, the AR camps allegedly used gasoline or diesel exhaust, and Auschwitz allegedly used Zyklon-B. Why the discrepancies? If the euthanasia program was involved, why wouldn't they use the same alleged gassing method?

- There is actually no documentary evidence that the euthanasia program included homicidal gas chambers of any sorts.

- It is also possible that in the context of a transit camp, severely disabled, diseased, dying, or mentally ill people in transit were euthanized at the camp (but not via gas chambers).

Points:

- Of course once one program is ended (Germany's euthanasia program in this case), the staff from that program needed to be reassigned somewhere.
- Note that their reassignment out of T4 to 'Aktion Reinhardt' / AR facilities flies in the face of the claim that the euthanasia / T4 program actually continued in secret.

- 'Aktion Reinhardt', the collection of possessions from deported persons and sending them to the Reich Finance Ministry to the benefit of Germany, certainly required plenty of staff, hence the sending of unused T4 staff to the AR camps where help was needed. Simple stuff.

- To suggest that the staff from T4 were used in the gassing of Jews & 'others" at the AR camps is preposterous since there were no gassings at the AR camps. There simply is no proof, and the claimed gassings themselves were scientifically impossible, as mentioned and proven. It's not a complicated matter.

- I suppose it is theoretically "possible" that there were some on the spot, random, unexpected euthanasia measures taken at the AR sites, but such sporadic measures would certainly not have required the transfer of additional staff to achieve. Any occasional hopelessly suffering person could have been dealt with by one doctor and an injection.

Clearly T4 staff were simply reassigned where German labor was needed.

- Hannover

No alleged human remains of millions to be seen in allegedly known locations, no 'holocaust'.

[Lamprecht]

Hannover:

- I suppose it is theoretically "possible" that there were some on the spot, random, unexpected euthanasia measures taken at the AR sites, but such sporadic measures would certainly not have required the transfer of additional staff to achieve. Any occasional hopelessly suffering person could have been dealt with by one doctor and an injection.

Well, certainly if there is going to be a transit camp you will need some medical professionals. A lot of people coming in and out, it's more difficult to control diseases when you have a constantly changing population. Also you would not want to put very sick people on a train full of people that are not sick.
From the Sobibor book cited above:

As will be further discussed in chapter 8, we find it likely that deportees who were found unfit for further transport to the east due to being disease carriers, mentally ill, or dying, were euthanized at Sobibór. If we assume that 2% of all deportees, excluding the 1,000 Dutch Jews transferred to labor camps in the Lublin district,[486] were put to death, we arrive at (169,165×0.02=) 3,383 victims, which we will round up to 3,500. In addition to this, there are indications that patients from mental hospitals in the Lublin district were sent to Sobibór to be euthanized.[487]
...
[486] The reason for this exclusion is that, judging by the eyewitness testimonies, those deportees were not brought to camp III and thus were not screened by the camp staff carrying out the euthanasia action.

[487] Abraham Margulies (in M. Novitch, op. cit. (note 39), p. 63) and Dov Freiberg (op. cit. (note 68), pp. 252f) both mention a transport consisting of mental patients.

The argument that they reused these people who were part of some controversial "secretive operation" (the T4 program) for another controversial program does not even mean that mass transit is out of the question. The mass resettlement of Jewish civilians during war time was still "controversial" in many ways, as pointed out by Germar Rudolf. This is also explained in the following document:

3244-PS Martin Bormann on the solution of the Jewish Problem viewtopic.php?t=9280

Preparatory Measures for the Solution of the Jewish Problem in Europe-Rumors About the Position of the Jews in the East.
V.I. 66/881 of the 9 Oct., 1942

In the course of the work on the final solution of the Jewish problem, discussions about "very strict measures" against the Jews, especially in the Eastern territories, have lately been taking place within the population of the various areas of the Reich. Investigations showed that such discussions-mostly in a distorted and exaggerated form-were passed on by soldiers on leave from various units committed in the East, who had the opportunity to eye-witness these measures. It is conceivable that not all "Blood Germans" are capable of demonstrating sufficient understanding for the necessity of such measures, especially not those parts of the population which do not have the opportunity of visualizing bolshevist atrocities on the basis of their own observations. In order to be able 'to counter-act any formation of rumors in this connection, which frequently ark of an intentional, prejudiced character, the following statements are issued for information about the present state of affairs:
...
Since even our next generation will not be so close to this problem and will no longer see it clearly enough on the basis of past experiences and since this matter which has now started rolling demands clearing up, the whole problem must still be solved by the present generation.

A complete removal or withdrawal of the millions of Jews residing in the European economic space [Wirtschaftsraum] is therefore an urgent need in the fight for the security of existence of the German people.

More "Final Solution" documents:

War-time German documents & writings mentioning the "Final Solution"
viewtopic.php?t=12296

[Hannover]

Lamprecht:

Well, certainly if there is going to be a transit camp you will need some medical professionals. A lot of people coming in and out, it's more difficult to control diseases when you have a constantly changing population. Also you would not want to put very sick people on a train full of people that are not sick.

So then, there was a need for additional staff at the AR sites and an availability of staff from the ended T4 program to fill that need.
There we have it.
Much ado about nothing.

- Hannover

Only lies require censorship.

[Lamprecht]

Indeed, it is far from the "smoking gun" the exterminationists make it seem like. The following quote comes to mind:

"if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"

[Otium]

Has there actually been a revisionist treatment of the Euthanasia and T4 'extermination' accusation? In whatever way the evidence goes, surely this is an important topic to assimilate into the Revisionism on the Holocaust.

In another thread the exterminationists made the claim that shower rooms were turned into gas chambers but turned back into shower rooms to hide the evidence. Although, someone made a good point in the replies. That why would anyone bother attempting to trick mentally ill, and physically disabled people into taking a shower? When they'd have no clue and in the case of physical immobility, the strength to fight back. Of course these skepticisms aren't detailed enough for a rebuttal, surely something on this is in the works now or in the near future? I'd hope so anyway.

[Hannover]

Has there actually been a revisionist treatment of the Euthanasia and T4 'extermination' accusation? In whatever way the evidence goes, surely this is an important topic to assimilate into the Revisionism on the Holocaust.

In another thread the exterminationists made the claim that shower rooms were turned into gas chambers but turned back into shower rooms to hide the evidence. Although, someone made a good point in the replies. That why would anyone bother attempting to trick mentally ill, and physically disabled people into taking a shower? When they'd have no clue and in the case of physical immobility, the strength to fight back. Of course these skepticisms aren't detailed enough for a rebuttal, surely something on this is in the works now or in the near future? I'd hope so anyway.

He makes a few points which I think are wrong, but generally John Wear has done some good work, especially on the 'T4 connection to mass gassings' nonsense here:

Evidence for the German Euthanasia Program Compared to the 'Holocaust', by John Wear:
https://codoh.com/library/document/4885/?lang=en
discussed here:
'Comparing real German euthanasia program to impossible "holocaust" narrative':
viewtopic.php?t=11393

Excerpt :

Conclusion

The German euthanasia program is a well-documented reality. Hitler authorized the euthanasia program in writing, the defendants at the Doctors’ Trial admitted their involvement in the program, the best method for killing victims was discussed among the participants in the program, the carbon-monoxide gas used in the German euthanasia program can safely and effectively kill people, and the euthanasia program was widely known by the German public. In fact, public opposition to the program was so strong in Germany that Hitler ordered the end of the first phase of the euthanasia program in August 1941.

By contrast, the genocide of European Jewry is not well documented. No order has ever been found authorizing the mass murder of Europe’s Jews. The German defendants at the main Nuremberg trial all stated they knew nothing about the so-called Holocaust. The Holocaust story absurdly states that the first gas chambers were built at Auschwitz using Zyklon B by SS personnel with no engineering experience. None of the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek or the claimed diesel gas chambers at the Aktion Reinhardt camps of Treblinka, Belzec, and Sobibor could possibly have been used for mass murder. The alleged genocide of Jews was also not known by the German public during the war. The eyewitness testimony to the so-called Holocaust has consistently proven to be extremely unreliable. Finally, the large number of Jewish survivors at the end of the war makes impossible a program of genocide against European Jewry.

In conclusion, while the German euthanasia program is a well-documented reality, the Holocaust story is a fraud. Dr. Arthur Robert Butz has aptly stated:[36]
“The ‘Holocaust’ is such a gigantic fraud that it is a cornucopia of absurdities.”

and:
http://www.unz.com/article/evidence-for ... holocaust/
There are many additional solid Revisionist points,, some from author John Wear, made along with some floundering attempts by 'hasbarists to uphold the impossible 'gas chambers' claims in the comments section.

- Hannover

[Lamprecht]

Euthanasia and eugenics was not universally seen as inhumane in that time period. Americans sterilized countless people for scoring low on IQ tests, the majority of US states had such laws. We must put this in the context of the 1930s and 1940s. Clearly, people back then had different standards for judging morality.

It may have something to do with food and other things not being so cheap. In the USA, you can easily survive off $3 of food per day, it costs almost nothing to feed a person. I suspect that probably the defining feature of these euthanized people was that they were incapable of working any sort of job, of taking care of themselves. How many critics have adopted a handicapped person, or donated to some place to help them?

Now, what I think is quite hypocritical is to oppose euthanasia of severely crippled or mentally defective people but somehow be OK with the abortion of perfectly healthy fetuses just because "I don't feel like having a baby right now." In the USA it's a minority of instances where the fetus is aborted for having some genetic/physical defect, or because the mother's health is at risk. And by any measure, there are more abortions in America per year than people euthanized in Germany under Aktion T4 throughout the whole period of the policy's existence. And these fetuses would in nearly every case end up as healthy, perfectly functional human beings.

Many people also seem to not be so bothered by the US government's bombing campaign against various civilian populations; if you want specific examples, it's not difficult to find them.

Attempts to connect the euthanasia policy with the "Holocaust" only attests to the absolute desperation of the exterminationist camp.

[stinky]

Without preconceptions & actual incriminating evidence, a standard feature of the hoaxers & the hoax respectively, Hannover concisely cuts through the innuendo with this observation

So then, there was a need for additional staff at the AR sites and an availability of staff from the ended T4 program to fill that need.
There we have it.
Much ado about nothing.

[Merlin300]

Lamprecht :

- There is no question that some former euthanasia staff members were transferred to these Reinhardt camps, but this does not prove anything sinister. It is claimed that the T4 program used CO bottles, the AR camps allegedly used gasoline or diesel exhaust, and Auschwitz allegedly used Zyklon-B. Why the discrepancies? If the euthanasia program was involved, why wouldn't they use the same alleged gassing method?

- There is actually no documentary evidence that the euthanasia program included homicidal gas chambers of any sorts.

- It is also possible that in the context of a transit camp, severely disabled, diseased, dying, or mentally ill people in transit were euthanized at the camp (but not via gas chambers).

Points:

- Of course once one program is ended (Germany's euthanasia program in this case), the staff from that program needed to be reassigned somewhere.
- Note that their reassignment out of T4 to 'Aktion Reinhardt' / AR facilities flies in the face of the claim that the euthanasia / T4 program actually continued in secret.

Most Believer articles about euthanasia simply quote testimony at the 1946 Doctors Trial. On December 9, 1946, an American military tribunal opened criminal proceedings against 23 leading German physicians and administrators for their willing participation in war crimes and crimes against humanity. These 23 doctors and staff were
"charged with murders, tortures, and other atrocities committed in the name of medical science. [u]The victims of these crimes are numbered in the hundreds of thousands. A handful only are still alive; a few of the survivors will appear in this courtroom. But most of these miserable victims were slaughtered outright or died in the course of the tortures to which they were subjected. For the most part they are nameless dead. To their murderers, these wretched people were not individuals at all. They came in wholesale lots and were treated worse than animals."[/u]

The prosecution in the Doctors Trial claimed that there was a vast secret criminal conspiracy- "Because the program was secret, T-4 planners and functionaries took elaborate measures to conceal its deadly designs... physicians and institutional administrators falsified official records in every case.
Buses operated by Schutzstaffel (SS) officers dressed in white medical uniforms took patients to the killing centers. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5719686/
Within hours of their arrival at such centers, the victims perished in gas chambers. The gas chambers, disguised as shower facilities,? used pure, bottled carbon monoxide gas. T4 functionaries burned the bodies in crematoria attached to the gassing facilities. Other workers took the ashes of cremated victims from a common pile and placed them in urns to send to the relatives of the victims. The families or guardians of the victims received such an urn, along with a death certificate and other documentation, listing a fictive cause and date of death."

The bodies were disposed of in crematoria and the ashes sent in urns to the families along with falsified death certificates issued under a false name by the “Condolence Letter Department.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5719686/


The Believer claim, "Euthanasia personnel, including physicians and technicians, were transferred to the Aktion Reinhardt,
which built and ran extermination camps of Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka." "After SS chemists had “perfected” the gassing operation, Brandt insisted that only doctors should carry out the gassings. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5719686/


But hold it...there is a competing set of tales about who built and ran the "gas chambers" ...generally it was Ukrainian guards like the
fictitious Ivan the Terrible with an ad hoc mixture of old diesel or gasoline engines. As Hanover points out, none of the camp "gas chambers"
used bottles of CO gas.

The Doctors Trial included the largely debunked tales of Medical experiments; it was a horror show based on theories of secret conspiracies.