Alleged Plans for German Colonization of Crimea Contradict the Generalplan Ost Narrative

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Alleged Plans for German Colonization of Crimea Contradict the Generalplan Ost Narrative

Postby Kretschmer » 2 years 5 months ago (Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:11 pm)

Recently, while reading about the history of the Gothic peoples, (an East Germanic ethnic group whose language is thought to have died out in Crimea in the late 18th Century) I came across an interesting source titled Die Goten und ihre Geschichte by Herwig Wolfram. In particular, the source spoke about Hitler's alleged plans to colonize the Crimean Peninsula which would have involved the mass settlement of Germans in this area and the transformation of Crimea itself into a "German Gibraltar." Supposedly, the port city of Sevastopol was already renamed to Theoderichshafen during Germany's occupation, though I have not found any actual evidence of this.

However, most surprising about these plans as alleged is that they totally contradict Generalplan Ost. Besides the complete lack of any mention of any "mass extermination" campaigns of the local Ukrainians, Russians, or Crimean Tatars, or even any deportations, I will highlight something else that is particularly interesting. From the Crimean Goths' Wiki entry:
Hitler had intended to re-settle German people to Crimea, and rename numerous towns with their previous Crimean Gothic names. During the Nazi occupation of Crimea, Sevastopol was changed to Theoderichshafen.[23] Hitler's ultimate goal for his planned "Gau Gotenland" ("Goth land") was to replace the local population with "pure Germans" and turn the Crimea into what he described as "the German Gibraltar"—a national foothold not contiguous to the rest of Germany, similar to how Gibraltar was not contiguous to the rest of the United Kingdom—to be connected to Germany proper by an autobahn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Goths

In other words, this totally flies in the face of the common orthodox narrative surrounding Generalplan Ost, which presents the laughable claim that Germany intended for the complete colonization of Ukraine and the annihilation of its native population before its incorporation into the Reich, already thoroughly debunked here at CODOH. Even though these plans hardly conform at all to the official narrative, I also seriously doubt that they were real, given how many Crimean Germans were relocated during the war to Wartheland and West Prussia. Is there any evidence at all that such plans were ever formulated?
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Re: Alleged Plans for German Colonization of Crimea Contradict the Generalplan Ost Narrative

Postby Breker » 2 years 5 months ago (Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:56 pm)

Kretschmer,
I have never even seen any German documents about this alleged GeneralPlan Ost. So the question remains, are there any authentic German documents about it to review?
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Re: Alleged Plans for German Colonization of Crimea Contradict the Generalplan Ost Narrative

Postby Kretschmer » 2 years 5 months ago (Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:30 am)

I am not disagreeing with you at all, Breker. Indeed, there is zero actual evidence of the alleged "Generalplan Ost," while the "documents" used as quote-un-quote "evidence" are all either misrepresented completely in their content or are conveniently never shown, just as is the case with the so-called "mass graves" at Treblinka that have revealed nothing remotely indicative of a real "Holocaust."

I just wanted to point out how these alleged designs for German settlement in Crimea and Hitler's alleged views towards its strategic role contradict the ridiculous Generalplan Ost, and to ask if this Crimean settlement plan was ever real. On one hand, it conforms to the exterminationist position of Hitler seeking out foreign territories in the East during the war through conquest, and on the other hand, the explicit implication that Ukraine proper was not on Hitler's mind for annexation reinforces our revisionist viewpoint.
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Re: Alleged Plans for German Colonization of Crimea Contradict the Generalplan Ost Narrative

Postby Breker » 2 years 5 months ago (Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:25 am)

Kretschmer:
To clarify, I assumed you didn't buy into the GeneralPlan Ost nonsense that is promoted by the Zionists, but was truly curious if you had seen any real documents about any form of a legitimate GeneralPlan Ost from which lies were woven. It's my understanding that there is nothing whatsoever.
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Re: Alleged Plans for German Colonization of Crimea Contradict the Generalplan Ost Narrative

Postby Kretschmer » 2 years 5 months ago (Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:18 am)

Apologies for the misunderstanding, Breker. As for your question, some on this forum have theorized that there could have been a real Generalplan Ost that simply outlined the invasion and destruction of the Soviet Union. For example, in this thread, (https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=7943) LKofEnglish wrote:
History is all about perspective and very rarely truth but my view is the term "Generalplan Ost" means "the plan for the Invasion of Russia" and not any "ulterior motive" per se.

I think this is why there are so many conflicting points of view on the term because many presuppose some form of Governance structure to be "animated" but the only thing we in fact know was that there was a War in the East and in fact that is all we know that happened.

If you read the Nuremberg Transcripts you will see a long discussion about "the fog of night" order I think it was called ... which in military terms means basically "people just get disappeared" in all the "hub-bub" of War.

Needless to say this was the biggest series of Battles in Human History (meaning between Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia)...so if you "wanted to get away with a crime" this was the perfect venue.

Many Germans were of course "disappeared" too...so this in indeed the most "real" of venues (a War) in which to attempt such a thing.

Of course if you are attempting to "disappear your 'selves'" there is a question of a crime.

In other words while guilt is easily established....some simply admit what is in fact true did indeed happen...the question does remain "just what was the crime and who was in on it?"

And that is what Historians are for.

Did "Generalplan Ost" occur? Absolutely....Nazi Germany launched a massive invasion of Soviet Russia with the explicit purpose of "wiping it off the map." Needless to say what became the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" had other ideas....

In my view, it's entirely possible that the Germans could have written up a real document with the title of Generalplan Ost using language that was deliberately taken out of context by post-war "investigators", and that it was destroyed or hidden somewhere in the Allied archives. However, this is mere speculation, as if a hypothetically real Generalplan Ost completely clashed with the official narrative, it would not be in the interests of the governments of Russia, the US, or the UK to reveal its contents to the public.
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Re: Alleged Plans for German Colonization of Crimea Contradict the Generalplan Ost Narrative

Postby Otium » 2 years 5 months ago (Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:44 pm)

It needs to be understood that "Generalplan OST" really isn't too insane of an idea. Especially if we take it to mean the colonisation of the Soviet Union. After all, this alleged "plan" only came into existence in parts after the National Socialist Invasion in 1941, not having been drawn up beforehand. Nor was a plan for an administrative system for the Occupied Eastern Territories set up until just prior, and after the German invasion:

the manner of planning 'Barbarossa' shows again the absence of a relationship between blueprint and execution. Between July 1940 and March 1941 planning was entirely military. Economic planning did not really begin until 1941, civilian administration not before April, while it was only towards the end of August 1941 that the form and character of the civil government was decided. 'Far from acting on the basis of a long-term plan for colonization, Hitler approached the subject empirically, seeing present alternatives clearly but rarely perceiving anything beyond the successful achievement of the immediate objective.'

H.W. Koch, Hitler and the Origins of the Second World War. Second Thoughts on the Status of Some of the Documents, The Historical Journal, Vol. 11, No. 1 (1968), Pp. 130-131


So, considering this, and that the Germans initially thought the Soviet Union would fall in 5 weeks - it makes sense that after such a destructive war that lasted years, that within the first year ideas would start springing up about taking advantage of the territory the Soviet Union had procured - because surely, after all that chaos, the Germans should not have to ever fight another destructive war like that again for the sake of securing Germany's borders and her sovereignty from the influence of nosey British statesmen and hostile Communist psychopaths.

It seems to have a practical side to it as well. After all Germany had been through, is it any wonder she would say "screw it" after having her attempts at peace shunned and offers of cooperation thrown back in her face, that she would decide to go for "all or nothing" and take exactly what she needed from her Soviet enemy? An enemy who was no more magnanimous from the beginning about her bid for territories in various parts of Europe and went about invading anything she could, just because it was in her interests. Why should Germany, at that point, still have had limited war aims when it came towards the Soviet Union and not just fought for the whole thing?

The Soviet Union at the end of the war was handsomely rewarded with the territorial conquest of half of Europe, including half of Germany itself. That the allies and their supporters would chastise Germany for not being willing to be more modest than themselves is patently ridiculous.

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Generalplan OST, if it's known at all, is just used as a quip against people sympathetic, or supportive of the German cause to fight for her own existence, by saying that she wanted to exterminate Slavs. None of this comes up in any of the documents, or quotes lifted from Germans at the time that I have read. This invention is purely the work of the "historians" who have interloped their interpretation of the documents and quotes as something to do with extermination.

They will quote some logistical estimate about food production and availability in the Soviet Union during the war by a German who comes to the conclusion that X amount of Soviet citizens (or Slavs) in X region will die because there's not enough food. The historian will interpret this as a cunning plan to kill Slavs. Clearly, this is a wilful exaggeration of what they would like the Germans to have been saying, rather than what they were actually saying.


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