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Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby EtienneSC » 9 years 8 months ago (Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:18 pm)

This site seems to have overlooked the following interview of Stephen Fry with Anita Lasker-Wallfish (originally "Wallfisch") in the course of his recent programme about Wagner on the BBC. The relevant bit is here (at around 51.00 minutes):

The whole programme is interesting, both about Wagner and as an example of how the holocaust casts a shadow over the reception of classical German culture by the BBC programme makers and audiences in the UK.

Sticking with Mrs Lasker-Wallfish, she was nineteen at the end of the war, so must be in her mid-eighties at the time of the above interview (around 2011?). She is author of a book, Inherit the Truth, variously subtitled "1939-1945, the documented experiences of a survivor of Auschwitz and Belsen" and "A Memoir of Survival and the Holocaust" (with a Preface by Martin Gilbert). I haven't seen this, though parts are available online. The blurb on Amazon says:
This autobiography relates the author's experiences, as well as those of her sister Renate, as a prisoner at both Auschwitz and Belsen. It tells how their lives were saved by courage, ingenuity, and several improbable strokes of luck. At Auschwitz, Anita escaped death through her talents as a cellist when she was co-opted onto the camp orchestra. The book contains a number of documents, most of them now lodged in the archives of the Imperial War Museum in London. There is a sequence of letters to her sister Marianne in England, from just before the War to 1942, when her parents were deported and liquidated. The predicament of Anita and Renate inside the concentration camps is conveyed, and the text shows how the sisters' capture while fleeing to Paris turned out to be a stroke of "luck" - they were sent to prison and thus spared the much worse horrors of Auschwitz for a crucial year in the middle of the War. This text featured in BBC Radio 4's "Desert Island Discs" programme on August 25, 1996, and in addition a BBC TV film was screened in October 1996.

The Preface claims she was saved by several "improbable strokes of luck". Her parents were deported and "never heard from again", but she and her sister both survived and emigrated to the UK in 1946 to join another sister who was already there and was an "ardent Zionist". She claims to have given evidence at a trial in Lüneberg in 1945 and public records (documents at the Public Records Office) of this and various personal correspondence survive. She refers honestly to revisionism in her introduction.

In the interview, she recalls some people being taken from an Auschwitz hospital on medical instructions, whilst she was told to stay because she played the cello - which admittedly is a non-medical reason. She doesn't contradict - or confirm - any of the remarks Fry makes from a believer perspective, though she puts a hand to her head when he mentions that Auschwitz was a "death camp". Fry states that some of his own relatives were "held and killed" in Auschwitz (in the voiceover, not in her presence).
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Re: Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby Kingfisher » 9 years 8 months ago (Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:50 am)

I remember seeing Fry's programme in the "Who do you think you are?" series.

At the time I was still a Holocaust agnostic, but I recall when he showed us where his relatives had lived in Slovakia and saying they were killed (can't remember if he said gassed) at Auschwitz wanting to scream at the box: "How do you know what happened to them?" It's the standard Holocaust narrative: anyone who was deported and for any reason did not return to where they went from was "gassed".

But I can't really blame Fry and others like him. They are as brainwashed as we once were, with every motive to believe it. The Holocaust is, above all else, a massive and successful PR job, with the advantage that most of those promoting it believe what they are promoting.

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Re: Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby borjastick » 9 years 8 months ago (Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:39 am)

Kingfisher, I too saw the Fry WDYTYA programme. It was only a few years ago and would agree he blubbed it up somewhat (it must be the thesp in him). He was at an address in I think Austria where his relatives once lived and he loudly proclaimed they had all been transported to Auschwitz, where they were killed. Like you I cannot remember if he used the word 'gassed' but the inference was clear. They went, never returned, so they must have been killed. An amazing connection of dots if ever there was one.
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Re: Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby EtienneSC » 9 years 8 months ago (Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:39 am)

Fry is indeed a likeable individual, but he is no neutral bystander when it comes to ideology and religion. You can hear his revulsion at Catholic Christianity in full flow here:

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Re: Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 9 years 8 months ago (Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:27 am)

Nice quote:

I have never spoken to Anita Lasker(-Wallfish) at all, and when the witness came in, when she saw me, she could not say anything against me so she invented this lie.

- Irma Grese


Extracts of the testimony of Anita Lasker-Wallfish at the first Belsen trial, October 1, 1945

ANITA LASKER is called in.

THE JUDGE ADVOCATE: The witness, Anita Lasker, says she is a German Jewess and will give her evidence in English. She is taking the oath on the Jewish Bible.

[...]

Did you see any selections for the gas chamber? - Yes, I saw many selections.

Did you see any in the hospital? - Yes, one.

Who made the selection which you saw in the hospital? - Hössler and Dr. Klein.

How was the selection made? - People had to get up from the beds and pass by a few SS people. Among them was Hössler and Dr. Klein. The ones who did not look all right they put them to one side, and after a few days the lorries came and picked the selected people up and brought them to another block, block No. 25.

How is it you saw so many of these selections? - I used to play in the camp band, and they made us play at the gate. The gate was just opposite the station. At the station arrived the transports and we could observe everything. The transport arrived, the SS people did the selections, and we have been just about 50 yards away.

Was it or was not it well known what these selections were for? - It was well known what the selections were for.

Was the existence of the gas chambers known in the camp? - Yes.

Who was the Kommandant of the camp? - Kramer.

Have you seen him at any selections? - Yes.

What part did he take? - He was standing by the people and just showing the people who could go into the camp where to go, or where to go to the gas chamber.

Do you remember some Hungarians coming into the camp? - Yes.

When was that? - That was 1944; they started about May 1944.

What happened to them? - There was so many people coming to the camp that nearly every night a queue was standing for the crematorium waiting their turn. Most of them went into the gas chamber.

How were the bodies disposed of? - I have observed that when these transports came to the crematorium it was not big enough and they made big fireplaces beside the crematorium and I watched them throw bodies into these fireplaces.

Were you eventually taken to Belsen? - I was taken to Belsen in November 1944.

[...]

Did the approach of the British troops have any effect on the SS women? - Yes, Irma Grese, for instance, told me a few days before liberation that we must be very strong now - "It will soon be the end and we will be liberated". She obviously tried to mix herself with us.

How had the SS women behaved before that? - They behaved very badly. For instance, I know that Irma Grese used to carry a revolver or a whip, and the others as well have beaten and behaved very badly.

[...]

And No. 40 (Gertrude Fiest)? - I have seen her ill treating people when they were very hungry and tried to steal turnips. She made them kneel down in the snow eating them as dirty as they were, and to beat them together.

THE JUDGE ADVOCATE: Is this Belsen or Auschwitz? - Belsen.

[...]

Thirteenth Day Monday, 1st October, 1945
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Tri ... y_013.html


Irma Grese was later questioned about the testimonial evidence of Lasker(-Wallfish):

Do you remember saying to the witness Lasker, "It will soon be the end, and we will be liberated"? - I have never spoken to Anita Lasker at all.

Twenty-sixth Day-Tuesday, 16th October, 1945
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Tri ... Grese.html

Do you remember saying to her, "It will soon be the end and we will be liberated"? - I have never spoken to Anita Lasker at all, and when the witness came in, when she saw me, she could not say anything against me so she invented this lie.

Twenty Seventh Day Wednesday, 17th October, 1945
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Tri ... y_027.html


Gertrude Fiest was also asked about the testimonial evidence of Lasker(-Wallfish) that she had forced prisoners to eat dirty turnips whilst kneeling in snow:

Do you remember what Lasker said about it: "I have seen her make people in the snow eating dirty turnips". Did you not make them eat the turnips they got as they were, filthy and uncooked? - No, that is not true, because at that period when I was in Compound No. 2 there was no snow and then I never forced them to eat the turnips.

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Re: Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 9 years 8 months ago (Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:41 am)

Although she testified in person on October 1, 1945, the affidavit of Anita Lasker-Wallfish was never submitted as evidence during the trial:

(COLONEL BACKHOUSE, prosecutor:) Do you (defendant Herta Ehlert) remember the affidavit of Anita Lasker?

(EHLERT:) Not at the moment.

(COLONEL BACKHOUSE:) She said that you frequently beat women whilst you were at Belsen...

CAPTAIN PHILLIPS (defence counsel, but not Ehlert's personal defence counsel): I thought this one was not actually put in.

COLONEL BACKHOUSE: I am so sorry. If it was not put in I will leave it.

THE JUDGE ADVOCATE: No, it was not put in.

COLONEL BACKHOUSE: She gave evidence in person.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes.

Twenty Fifth Day Monday, 15th October, 1945
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Tri ... y_025.html


But I have a photograph of her affidavit held at the UK National Archives in file WO 309/1697, "Belsen Depositions Nrs 1 - 175", "Exhibit 28". It reads in part:

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Postby hermod » 9 years 8 months ago (Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:48 pm)

Are her words about Auschwitz as reliable as her words about Belsen and its nonexistent gas chamber (everybody now admits there was no gas chamber at Belsen)? :)

I liked when it was said Wagner was OK because every artist can be recuperated by a mad dictator after all. Never heard of Wagner's anti-semitic book "Judaism in music"?
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Re: Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 9 years 8 months ago (Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:31 pm)

hermod wrote:Are her words about Auschwitz as reliable as her words about Belsen and its nonexistent gas chamber (everybody now admits there was no gas chamber at Belsen)?


Perhaps it my fault for not making it clear hermod, but she didn't claim there were any gas chambers at Belsen, she was talking about the gas chamber(s) at Auschwitz.

If she had being talking about gas chamber a Belsen, I'd be making a very big deal about it. :wink:

I have found numerous documents at Kew that mention the gas chamber of Buchenwald, including an SS confession about gassing people at Buchenwald.
http://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... be8747c2cc

And several very wacky Auschwitz gas chamber tales compiled by the German-born Jews in the British army for use in the first Belsen trial, which also never got introduced into evidence.

This is a plan of Krema II drawn for the trial:

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Re: Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby hermod » 9 years 8 months ago (Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:54 am)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:
hermod wrote:Are her words about Auschwitz as reliable as her words about Belsen and its nonexistent gas chamber (everybody now admits there was no gas chamber at Belsen)?


Perhaps it my fault for not making it clear hermod, but she didn't claim there were any gas chambers at Belsen, she was talking about the gas chamber(s) at Auschwitz.

If she had being talking about gas chamber a Belsen, I'd be making a very big deal about it. :wink:



OK. I ignored (so far) Dr Klein had also worked at Auschwitz. So when I read she had stated that Dr Klein had made the selections for the gas chamber I concluded she was speaking about Belsen.

Anyway Kramer himself 'admitted' there were gas chambers at Belsen (http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... c3c4abea56) showing how useless the Nazi 'confessions' are as evidence. But you already know that as that info comes from your own blog.
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Re: Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby friedrichjansson » 9 years 8 months ago (Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:50 am)

One interesting feature of Lasker's affidavit is that she, like many of the early witnesses, describes a gas chamber (in the singular) at Birkenau (she specifies that the camp she was in had several kremas, so we know that it was Birkenau rather than the main camp).

Her affidavit states that in a selection in the hospital, more than half of the prisoners were sent to the gas chamber (singular). She also mentions the Jewess Mala was going to be executed in the gas chamber (singular). It seems as though Lasker thought of the gas chamber as suitable for an individual execution, which is contrary to the usual story. (Mala is something of an Auschwitz celebrity, and is also included in other Auschwitz stories, such as the book Auschwitz: True Tales from a Grotesque Land by Sara Nomberg-Przytyk, although there she was not going to be gassed but hanged.)

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Re: Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 9 years 8 months ago (Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:21 pm)

hermod wrote:Anyway Kramer himself 'admitted' there were gas chambers at Belsen (http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... c3c4abea56) showing how useless the Nazi 'confessions' are as evidence. But you already know that as that info comes from your own blog.


That newspaper article is just an example of shoddy journalism.

On the day in question, Krammer admitted to forcing Jews in a gas chamber at Natzweiller:

And did you quite deliberately gas 80 prisoners in that gas chamber which you had constructed? - Yes, on the orders of Reichsführer Himmler. That was a special transport which came particularly for that purpose to the camp at Natzweiller.

Was that for the purpose of supplying these bodies to Dr. Hoess in order that he might experiment on them? - I do not know what he has done with them. My orders were to supply these bodies for Dr. Hoess at the University of Strasbourg.

And you were prepared to kill 80 people simply on orders for that purpose? - It was the order of the highest military authority. I can imagine what they would have done with me during war if I would have refused to have obeyed that order.

Are you suggesting to the Court that there was a law in Germany which allowed prisoners to be murdered simply so that a doctor could experiment on their bodies ? - I do not know anything about such a law.

You knew perfectly well that it was a crime you were committing, did you not? - No.

Did you ever think at all? - I only thought whether it is right what I am doing. I do not know; but I have to obey orders.

Did you actually force these people into the room, the gas chamber, yourself ? - Yes.

Did you actually put the gas in yourself? - No.

And then watch them inside as they died through a peephole you had made yourself? - No.

Did you watch them? - No.

Do you remember making this statement about this to Kommandant Jenner? - Yes.

Did you not tell him that you watched them? - No.

Did you not describe that the women continued to breathe for about half a minute? - One could hear that; it was not necessary to observe it.

Did you not tell him you put the lights on inside the chamber by means of a switch placed near the funnel? - Yes, when the prisoners entered the room.

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Re: Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby danewerk » 11 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:42 pm)

There is a short but interesting talk by Anita Lasker recorded on April 16, 1945. It was posted on the SWR2 site (Südwestrundfunk; Southwest Broadcasting) in January 2020. In German. The British troops had arrived at Belsen the day before, April 15. (The emaciated girl in the picture is not Lasker.)

https://www.swr.de/swr2/wissen/archivra ... r-102.html

The recording has also been posted by a YouTube account with an English translation here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWtoBI3OMa4

Before Belsen she was imprisoned at Auschwitz and she starts out by recounting what happened there. Presumably the story takes place at Birkenau since there are several crematoria. As far as I can tell from my limited knowledge of German, the translation is correct except that the German word "Kamin", that she uses for the first time at 52s, has been translated by "chimney", but should rather be "fireplace" or "furnace".

At first she says that people were thrown into the fire alive, and she has seen this with her own eyes. Later, 1m33s, it was the children that were thrown live in the fire while the other victims, for humanitarian reasons, were first stunned (Betäubung = anesthesia) by gassing.

Obviously, she has not had access to the standard narrative (that virtually everyone brought to Auschwitz was killed by cyanide gas) that Vrba and others had put in place. To a true believer though, her testimony should carry great weight as it was recorded soon after the events, and her recollection should be free from any influence by news reports.

Other parts of her statement are in agreement with some common elements of the usual "witness" narratives such as the sky being lit by fires in the crematory chimneys (impossible) and that being sent to the left meant death, right meant life. The statement was broadcast so it could possibly be the source of those story elements.

Finally it might be worth noting the contradiction of her and her sister barely surviving some serious disease yet avoiding being sent to the gas chamber for not being able to work.

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Re: Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby research » 1 week 2 days ago (Wed May 31, 2023 2:17 pm)

The radio report by Anita Lasker-Wallfisch mentioned above by danewerk was broadcast directly on April 16, 1945 via the BBC German Service. Interesting contemporary document.

In the BBC German Service there was also on December 27, 1942 one of the here rarely occurring reports about the "extermination of the Jews".
Here you can listen to the original report in German (audio file No. 40) and here is a transcription on page 48.

The report states right at the beginning:
"It is not enough to isolate the Jewish enemy of humanity. The Jew must be exterminated." This was Herr SS-Obergruppenführer Groß in Karlsruhe on May 20 of this year. "We will continue this war until we have swept Jewry from the face of the earth." That was Dr. Ley, only recently in Essen.


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„Es genügt nicht, den jüdischen Menschheitsfeind zu isolieren. Der Jude muss ausgerottet werden.“ Das war Herr SS-Obergruppenführer Groß in Karlsruhe am 20. Mai dieses Jahres. „Wir werden diesen Krieg weiterführen, bis wir das Judentum vom Antlitz der Erde weggefegt haben.“ Das war Herr Dr. Ley, erst kürzlich in Essen.

Does anyone know who the "Herr SS-Obergruppenführer Groß" is supposed to have been? And where does this Ley quote come from?

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Re: Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby Hektor » 1 week 2 days ago (Wed May 31, 2023 6:01 pm)

research wrote:The radio report by Anita Lasker-Wallfisch mentioned above by danewerk was broadcast directly on April 16, 1945 via the BBC German Service. Interesting contemporary document.

In the BBC German Service there was also on December 27, 1942 one of the here rarely occurring reports about the "extermination of the Jews".
Here you can listen to the original report in German (audio file No. 40) and here is a transcription on page 48.
The broadcast No.45 has her 'testimony'.
"Her Barracks were 20m away from the chimney"
That's about an erven next to your house. Not believable.
She says they threw people 'alive into the fire'... Now how could se possibly have seen that?
Adds kids burned alive, while the rest was 'gassed for humanitarian' reasons.
'Fire burned to heaven' - It sounds more than dramatic.
Interestingly she mentions Joseph Kramer positively.

Specific mentioning of Jews could be seen as problematic. It plays into the notion that the war against Germany was lead for the Jews, which was of course denied by Allies. Also, more Germans may enquire them "what happened to the Jews"? And when they got answers that contradicted the broadcasts this would count against the credibility thereof.

research wrote:The report states right at the beginning:
"It is not enough to isolate the Jewish enemy of humanity. The Jew must be exterminated." This was Herr SS-Obergruppenführer Groß in Karlsruhe on May 20 of this year. "We will continue this war until we have swept Jewry from the face of the earth." That was Dr. Ley, only recently in Essen.


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„Es genügt nicht, den jüdischen Menschheitsfeind zu isolieren. Der Jude muss ausgerottet werden.“ Das war Herr SS-Obergruppenführer Groß in Karlsruhe am 20. Mai dieses Jahres. „Wir werden diesen Krieg weiterführen, bis wir das Judentum vom Antlitz der Erde weggefegt haben.“ Das war Herr Dr. Ley, erst kürzlich in Essen.

Does anyone know who the "Herr SS-Obergruppenführer Groß" is supposed to have been? And where does this Ley quote come from?



I think they may have conflated fact and fiction there.
I don't dispute that NS-leaders made inflammatory statements, though. That's not the issue. The issue is twisting them together to create an impression and appearance. In this case it is 'ausrotten' that was given more nefarious meaning. And I don't think the Gross quote is anything more than hearsay.

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Re: Anita Lasker-Wallfish - Auschwitz witness

Postby hermod » 1 week 2 days ago (Wed May 31, 2023 8:12 pm)

research wrote:Does anyone know who the "Herr SS-Obergruppenführer Groß" is supposed to have been? And where does this Ley quote come from?


I don't know who SS-Obergruppenführer Groß was (or if he actually existed and/or said that) and where that Ley quote comes from, but I know that "exterminated" was an inaccurate translation of ausgerottet in 1942 ("extirpated" and "eradicated" were more accurate translations of that word before the Allied postwar reshaping of Germany) and that Dr. Robert Ley was a fiery anti-Semite who was not in charge of any organization directly dealing with the solution the Jewish problem (he headed the German Labour Front from 1933 to 1945) and who often called for the violent elimination of the Jews in his public speeches (At best, the most colorful Ley quotes prove that calling for the liquidation of the Jews was not illegal in Nazi Germany! No big deal and hardly a surprise!!).

Hektor wrote:And I don't think the Gross quote is anything more than hearsay.


Doesn't even sound like hearsay. Sounds like a personal opinion and wish.

As far as I know, that guy was not the spokesman of the German government or of Eichmann's department.
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