quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' / WRONG

[borjastick]

Yes it is funny how that phrase, The Final Solution, is used ad nauseum by the media and even those with limited knowledge of the holocaust as proof that it actually happened. They seem to not know that the jews themselves invented the phrase and used it to bolster their argument for a jewish state to be created which would offer that very same Final Solution.

I often refer and cross check these things in the very excellent book The Founding Myths of Modern Israel where this phrase and the use of it by the various councils of judaism in Germany is shown, they were very happy to use is as a bolster to their claim that a jewish state was the Final Solution.

[hermod]

Yes it is funny how that phrase, The Final Solution, is used ad nauseum by the media and even those with limited knowledge of the holocaust as proof that it actually happened. They seem to not know that the jews themselves invented the phrase and used it to bolster their argument for a jewish state to be created which would offer that very same Final Solution.

No surprise they don't know it. They're never told that the term "final solution of the Jewish question" was coined by some Zionist Jews and the Soviet-Allied victors used it ad nauseam with quotation marks (implying that it was a sinister Nazi code word with a terrible hidden meaning) and a deceptive decoding of it (most of time, the words "the final solution of the Jewish question," that is the extermination of the Jewish people ).

I often refer and cross check these things in the very excellent book The Founding Myths of Modern Israel where this phrase and the use of it by the various councils of judaism in Germany is shown, they were very happy to use is as a bolster to their claim that a jewish state was the Final Solution.

https://archive.org/details/roger-garau ... olution%22

[Hektor]

Yes it is funny how that phrase, The Final Solution, is used ad nauseum by the media and even those with limited knowledge of the holocaust as proof that it actually happened. They seem to not know that the jews themselves invented the phrase and used it to bolster their argument for a jewish state to be created which would offer that very same Final Solution.

No surprise they don't know it. They're never told that the term "final solution of the Jewish question" was coined by some Zionist Jews and the Soviet-Allied victors used it ad nauseam with quotation marks (implying that it was a sinister Nazi code word with a terrible hidden meaning) and a deceptive decoding of it (most of time, the words "the final solution of the Jewish question," that is the extermination of the Jewish people ).

I often refer and cross check these things in the very excellent book The Founding Myths of Modern Israel where this phrase and the use of it by the various councils of judaism in Germany is shown, they were very happy to use is as a bolster to their claim that a jewish state was the Final Solution.

https://archive.org/details/roger-garau ... olution%22

The term 'Final Solution" is of course convenient.
"Final" implies death. Because as the saying goes "Only Death is Final".
Link it up with free train rides for Jews and you have your story. That's if you fill in more on the narrative. Pick up typhus dead, piles of them and make sure they perpetually run through the media. Get testimony from alleged survivors, etc. I mean the theme is clear:" Nazi exterminating" Jews.
Repeat this often enough, suppress dissent and there you go with the narrative.

[hermod]

The term 'Final Solution" is of course convenient.
"Final" implies death. Because as the saying goes "Only Death is Final".
Link it up with free train rides for Jews and you have your story. That's if you fill in more on the narrative. Pick up typhus dead, piles of them and make sure they perpetually run through the media. Get testimony from alleged survivors, etc. I mean the theme is clear:" Nazi exterminating" Jews.
Repeat this often enough, suppress dissent and there you go with the narrative.

"Final" implies the end of the recurrence of an event. Something like this:

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The rest is just a politically-motivated suggested sinister interpretation...

[hermod]

Not only Goering denied that Hitler was aware of the Holocaust. Hitler's senior secretary Johanna Wolf denied it too.

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(Keep in mind that all the orthodox/exterminationist/antirevisionist historians have now conceded that no American soldier ever liberated or photographed an alleged Nazi death camp.)

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Johanna Wolf

Johanna Wolf (1 June 1900 – 5 June 1985) was Adolf Hitler's chief secretary. Wolf joined Hitler's personal secretariat in the autumn of 1929 as a typist, at which time she also became a member of the Nazi Party. Wolf served as Hitler's chief secretary until the night of 21–22 April 1945, when she was ordered to fly out of Berlin to safety. She died on 5 June 1985.

Wolf joined Hitler's personal secretariat in the autumn of 1929 as a typist, at which time she became a member of the Nazi Party.[1] Prior to 1933, she also performed secretarial work for Rudolf Hess and Wilhelm Brückner, who at the time was Hitler's chief adjutant and a bodyguard.[1]

When Hitler became chancellor in January 1933, she became a senior secretary in his Private Chancellery. Wolf, Hitler's senior secretary, was one of his oldest and longest tenured secretaries. While he addressed his other secretaries formally as "Frau" or "Fräulein", he called her "Wölfin" meaning She-Wolf because of his obsession with wolves.[2] Wolf and Hitler had a close relationship. She was often thought of as the best possible source for people to go about Hitler.

Wolf lived at the Wolfsschanze (Wolf's Lair) near Rastenburg, Adolf Hitler's World War II Eastern Front military headquarters from 1941 until he and his staff departed for the last time on 20 November 1944.[3] When Hitler withdrew his headquarters to the Führerbunker in Berlin in January 1945, she went with him and his staff.[4][5] The Führerbunker was located beneath the Reich Chancellery garden area in central Berlin. It became the epicentre of the Nazi regime until the end of April 1945. Before late April 1945, Hitler would regularly have lunch with Wolf and fellow secretary, Christa Schroeder.[6]

On the night of 21–22 April 1945, Hitler, having decided to stay and die in Berlin, sent Wolf and Schroeder by aircraft of the Fliegerstaffel des Führers out of Berlin to Salzburg and then to his house at Berchtesgaden in Bavaria.[7]

Wolf stayed at Berchtesgaden until 2 May and then traveled to her mother's residence in Bad Tölz.[1] She was arrested and taken prisoner on 23 May in Bad Tölz by American troops. When Wolf was taken prisoner, German filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl eventually got her to disclose some information about Hitler. Wolf said people close to Hitler were not able to escape his magnetism until his death, even though he was quite emaciated. She was so loyal to Hitler that she wanted to die with him in the Führerbunker, but departed because Hitler urged her to leave for the sake of her 80-year-old mother. He forced her and others to leave on the last flights out of Berlin.[9] She claimed that Hitler was not aware of all the terrible things that were happening in Germany during his reign, that fanatics exerted more and more influence on him, and that they gave orders Hitler knew nothing about.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johanna_Wolf

Leni Riefenstahl

Helene Bertha Amalie Riefenstahl (22 August 1902 – 8 September 2003) was a German film director, photographer and actress known for her role in producing Nazi propaganda.[1][2][3]

A talented swimmer and an artist, Riefenstahl also became interested in dancing during her childhood, taking lessons and performing across Europe. After seeing a promotional poster for the 1924 film Mountain of Destiny, she was inspired to move into acting and between 1925 and 1929 starred in five successful motion pictures. Riefenstahl became one of the few women in Germany to direct a film during the Weimar Period[4] when, in 1932, she decided to try directing with her own film, Das Blaue Licht ("The Blue Light").

In the 1930s, she directed the Nazi propaganda films Triumph des Willens ("Triumph of the Will") and Olympia, resulting in worldwide attention and acclaim. The films are widely considered two of the most effective and technically innovative propaganda films ever made. Her involvement in Triumph des Willens, however, significantly damaged her career and reputation after World War II. Adolf Hitler was in close collaboration with Riefenstahl during the production of at least three important Nazi films, and they formed a friendly relationship.[5][6]

After the war, Riefenstahl was arrested and found to be a Nazi "fellow traveller" but was not charged with war crimes. Throughout her later life, she denied having known about the Holocaust, and was criticized as the "voice of the 'how could we have known?' defense."[7][8][9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leni_Riefenstahl

[Butterfangers]

Not only Goering denied that Hitler was aware of the Holocaust. Hitler's senior secretary Johanna Wolf denied it too.

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I think people today, especially young people, when reading this statement from Ms. Wolf, might fail to realize just how shocking images of mangled corpses would be to a woman in the 1940s. Nobody had the internet back then. Nobody stumbled across images like those, ever---unlike today, where kids have seen similar horrors by the time they are age 12, either out of their own curiousity + Google, or that of a friend who shows it to them for the attention and shock value. Even in the early years of the internet, I had peers my age who were regularly excited to show me such things. I'd seen numerous beheadings, fatal car accident aftermaths, other random and gruesome accidents, various murders, and more by my mid-to-late teens. Back in the 40s, this was never the case. Seeing images of such horror had huge efficacy in terms of psychological manipulation in the post-WW2 era. When you're exposed to something like that for the first time, you are desperate for someone to make sense of it for you. You're ready to accept an explanation---just about any---which will help you move forward and find a sense of security (and then you'll have a very difficult time ever letting that explanation/narrative go). Those who have a narrative at-the-ready at that vulnerable moment of sheer and unfamiliar terror are positioned perfectly to manipulate you into whatever it is they wish you to believe.

[fireofice]

Not only Goering denied that Hitler was aware of the Holocaust. Hitler's senior secretary Johanna Wolf denied it too.

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I think people today, especially young people, when reading this statement from Ms. Wolf, might fail to realize just how shocking images of mangled corpses would be to a woman in the 1940s. Nobody had the internet back then. Nobody stumbled across images like those, ever---unlike today, where kids have seen similar horrors by the time they are age 12, either out of their own curiousity + Google, or that of a friend who shows it to them for the attention and shock value. Even in the early years of the internet, I had peers my age who were regularly excited to show me such things. I'd seen numerous beheadings, fatal car accident aftermaths, other random and gruesome accidents, various murders, and more by my mid-to-late teens. Back in the 40s, this was never the case. Seeing images of such horror had huge efficacy in terms of psychological manipulation in the post-WW2 era. When you're exposed to something like that for the first time, you are desperate for someone to make sense of it for you. You're ready to accept an explanation---just about any---which will help you move forward and find a sense of security (and then you'll have a very difficult time ever letting that explanation/narrative go). Those who have a narrative at-the-ready at that vulnerable moment of sheer and unfamiliar terror are positioned perfectly to manipulate you into whatever it is they wish you to believe.

Indeed, the "confessions" at Nuremberg were based on the bodies in the camps. Arthur Butz put it this way:

The second observation is not quite so expected. Indeed, it may be mildly startling; with the exception of Kaltenbrunner and perhaps one or two others, these high ranking German officials did not understand the catastrophic conditions in the camps that accompanied the German collapse, and which were the cause of the scenes that were exploited by the Allied propaganda as “proof” of exterminations. This may appear at first a peculiar claim, but consultation of Gilbert’s book shows it to be unquestionably a valid one (the only other possibility is that some merely pretended to misunderstand the situation). The administration of the camps was far removed from the official domains of almost all of the defendants and they had been subjected to the familiar propaganda since the German surrender. To the extent that they accepted, or pretended to accept, that there had been mass murders, for which Hitler and Himmler were responsible, they were basing their view precisely on the scenes found in the German camps at the end of the war, which they evidently misunderstood or pretended to misunderstand. This is well illustrated by Gilbert’s account of an exchange he had with Göring:

“‘Those atrocity films!’ Göring continued. ‘Anybody can make an atrocity film if they take corpses out of their graves and then show a tractor shoving them back in again.’

‘You can’t brush it off that easily,’ I replied. ‘We did find your concentration camps fairly littered with corpses and mass graves – I saw them myself in Dachau! – and Hadamar!’

‘Oh, but not piled up by the thousands like that –’

‘Don’t tell me what I didn’t see! I saw corpses literally by the carload –’

‘Oh, that one train – ‘

‘ – And piled up like cordwood in the crematorium – and half starved and mutilated prisoners, who told me how the butchery had been going on for years – and Dachau was not the worst by far! You can’t shrug off 6,000,000 murders!’

‘Well, I doubt if it was 6,000,000,’ he said despondently, apparently sorry he had started the argument, ‘– but as I’ve always said, it is sufficient if only 5 per cent of it is true – .’ A glum silence followed.”

This is only one example; it is clear from Gilbert’s book that, when the subject of concentration camp atrocities came up, the defendants were thinking of the scenes found in the German camps at the end of the war. It is probably not possible to decide which defendants genuinely misunderstood the situation (as Göring did) and which merely pretended to misunderstand, on the calculation that, if one was not involved with concentration camps anyway, it was a far safer course to accept the Allied claims than to automatically involve oneself by contesting the Allied claims.

So the "admissions" are based on a complete falsehood, that the bodies in the camps were what the extermination claims were about. If we have such a false claim as this at the start of the accusations, that does not bode well for the extermination claims as a whole.

And since Göring didn't believe the six million number, he was essentially a holocaust denier as would be seen by many people today.

[hermod]

That's also true for most people since the end of WWII. Tell an average normie that there were no Nazi gas chambers for the mass slaughter of Jews during WWII and you'll systematically see him/her looking at you as if you had just denied the existence of the moon! Making people falsely believe that they had seen the dead bodies of mass slaughtered Jews (when they had merely seen what happens when a country is bombed backed to the Stone Age) with their own eyes was a master stroke. As the notorious Jewish illusionist Harry Houdini once said, "what the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes." The illu-Zionists made full use of that magic trick. They never stopped fooling people with typhus victims as a 'magician' pulling a white rabbit out of a hat. False captioning is magic...

[Hektor]

That's also true for most people since the end of WWII. Tell an average normie that there were no Nazi gas chambers for the mass slaughter of Jews during WWII and you'll systematically see him/her looking at you as if you had just denied the existence of the moon! Making people falsely believe that they had seen the dead bodies of mass slaughtered Jews (when they had merely seen what happens when a country is bombed backed to the Stone Age) with their own eyes was a master stroke. As the notorious Jewish illusionist Harry Houdini once said, "what the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes." The illu-Zionists made full use of that magic trick. They never stopped fooling people with typhus victims as a 'magician' pulling a white rabbit out of a hat. False captioning is magic...

Thinking any photo from 'the western camps' proves gassing is a false attribution. I get this can happen to anyone with insufficient knowledge just having heard of 'gas chambers' and seen a photo from Buchenwald easily. That's why the narrative is widely believed. Few folks do analyze the details behind what's shown to him. Imagine terrorists throwing hand-grenades into a prison. Entering the prison... taking pictures of the dead and injured prisoners and then show the pictures to the public and say: Look what the guards have done to the prisoners. That's in short what Allied psychological warfare has done. And if they had their clutches on the guards, they'd probably get some confessions, too.

It's of course possible that more people notice this at least on a subconscious level. But saying this loudly creates a likely possibility of conflict with folks that almost certainly believe it, have the same doubts and won't admit it. So rather shut up about it or agree putting your head in shame. The fact that billions seem to believe it is especially intimidating to people, if it is untrue.

[hermod]

Thinking any photo from 'the western camps' proves gassing is a false attribution. I get this can happen to anyone with insufficient knowledge just having heard of 'gas chambers' and seen a photo from Buchenwald easily. That's why the narrative is widely believed. Few folks do analyze the details behind what's shown to him. Imagine terrorists throwing hand-grenades into a prison. Entering the prison... taking pictures of the dead and injured prisoners and then show the pictures to the public and say: Look what the guards have done to the prisoners. That's in short what Allied psychological warfare has done. And if they had their clutches on the guards, they'd probably get some confessions, too.

It's of course possible that more people notice this at least on a subconscious level. But saying this loudly creates a likely possibility of conflict with folks that almost certainly believe it, have the same doubts and won't admit it. So rather shut up about it or agree putting your head in shame. The fact that billions seem to believe it is especially intimidating to people, if it is untrue.

Besides the false captioning about the geographical thing (eastern camps vs. western camps), they constantly deceive people with a false captioning about the killer(s), i.e. what had killed those people (war-related diseases vs. Nazi mass murderers). They show the pictures of people killed by epidemics while talking about people allegedly killed by poison gas. Most of time, they don't openly state: "The dead people you see in these terrible pictures were gassed by the Nazis." They rather let their spectators deduce it by themselves. And since they never let the other side talk to their spectators, that gross trick keeps fooling people, generation after generation. No surprise. What "magician" can survive the exposure of his magic tricks after all?

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[Hektor]

Thinking any photo from 'the western camps' proves gassing is a.... So rather shut up about it or agree putting your head in shame. The fact that billions seem to believe it is especially intimidating to people, if it is untrue.

Besides the false captioning about the geographical thing (eastern camps vs. western camps), they constantly deceive people with a false captioning about the killer(s), i.e. what had killed those people (war-related diseases vs. Nazi mass murderers). They show the pictures of people killed by epidemics while talking about people allegedly killed by poison gas. Most of time, they don't openly state: "The dead people you see in these terrible pictures were gassed by the Nazis." They rather let their spectators deduce it by themselves. And since they never let the other side talk to their spectators, that gross trick keeps fooling people, generation after generation. No surprise. What "magician" can survive the exposure of his magic tricks after all?
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The captioning is actually something they've overdone. It is far more effective to show and repeat the focus and let people jump onto conclusions in their own minds. Just make sure there are side stories. When people 'arrive at their own conclusion', they are far more defensive, when it is challenged, given that they think that the conclusion is a result of their own intelligence and wisdom.

The other thing is leaving some space for controversy. It has a domino effect in terms of the subject being repeated. And those repeating all have insufficient knowledge so conclusion jumping is their only option. One then gets those agreeing and those disagreeing. With those agreeing and believing the narrative being affirmed and subsequently in the majority. Those that think (unwarrantedly) most of themselves will be the missionaries for the idea from thereon. They also tend to be the most manipulative people. Commemorating, admonition and showing empathy are seen as virtuous. So it's all the 'good' people believing in it and taking it seriously. Do you want to be one of the bad people, hermod?

With illusionists, magicians and tricksters most people know that this is a trick. They know that it is not really magic. With the armies of survivors, witnessing most people take that serious as learning something about real history. Through the volume it becomes so powerful, there will be resistance against this being exposed. And that's why it's risk-free to continue pushing this. If it is finally exposed, they can run to: "But how should we have known, everybody believed that and we were feeling sorry for the victims". Virtue signaling can be dangerous and destructive. Especially when those virtues are actually useless, misleading and counterproductive in their application.

What could think the boat would be a substantial number of intelligent people challenging it continuously and perhaps educating people over the pitfalls of psychological warfare, manipulation and techniques being used. Just that people have been enabled to protect themselves against it. The problem would be that people want to stick to it, because they don't have anything else to run to. It's simply not on offer. So people will cling to that myth and defend it, since this is the only metaphysical thing they feel good with.

[hermod]

Yes it is funny how that phrase, The Final Solution, is used ad nauseum by the media and even those with limited knowledge of the holocaust as proof that it actually happened. They seem to not know that the jews themselves invented the phrase and used it to bolster their argument for a jewish state to be created which would offer that very same Final Solution.

True. The gross distortion of the neutral term final solution of the jewish problem/question (most often, with quotation marks implying an alleged sinister secret meaning) is one of the biggest lexical frauds ever devised and used.

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[hermod]

Yes it is funny how that phrase, The Final Solution, is used ad nauseum by the media and even those with limited knowledge of the holocaust as proof that it actually happened. They seem to not know that the jews themselves invented the phrase and used it to bolster their argument for a jewish state to be created which would offer that very same Final Solution.

True. The gross distortion of the neutral term final solution of the jewish problem/question (most often, with quotation marks implying an alleged sinister secret meaning) is one of the biggest lexical frauds ever devised and used.

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[Hektor]

Yes it is funny how that phrase, The Final Solution, is used ad nauseum by the media and even those with limited knowledge of the holocaust as proof that it actually happened. They seem to not know that the jews themselves invented the phrase and used it to bolster their argument for a jewish state to be created which would offer that very same Final Solution.

True. The gross distortion of the neutral term final solution of the jewish problem/question (most often, with quotation marks implying an alleged sinister secret meaning) is one of the biggest lexical frauds ever devised and used.
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Assume final solution means "extermination".
There was talk about a final solution.
That proves the Nazis did gas six million Jews.

That's how it goes and its essentially semantic fraud they are committing. They won't back off, when there is contradiction. They will stick to their dogma and maintain the emotional load of their Myth. Even if they get caught out and realize that they peddled a false narrative. The shame this generates will simply be projected into the 'guilt' of the Holocaust and that again strengthens their negative faith. Because many do, they reinforce each other on this... and continue.

[hermod]

Assume final solution means "extermination".
There was talk about a final solution.
That proves the Nazis did gas six million Jews.

That's how it goes and its essentially semantic fraud they are committing.

A very anachronistic assumption (and a conspiracy theory). That Zionist term had been noticed and appropriated by the Nazis several years before they allegedly decided to kill all the Jews (i.e. during the last months of 1941, orthodox/exterminationist/antirevisionist historians say).

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