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Mattogno's notes on Treblinka black propaganda

Postby hannef » 2 months 4 weeks ago (Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:38 am)

On July 11, 1942, the Dziennik Polski (Polish Newspaper) published a “Report of Minister Mikołajczyk, delivered at the British Ministry of Information” on its page 3 which contained the following chapter titled “Rzeź Żydów” (“Slaughter of the Jews”):
“The situation of the Jews appears to be even worse. The matter of the Warsaw Ghetto is well known. Hunger, death and disease continuously and systematically threatened the population. In the Lublin area, on the night of March 23- 24 [1942], the Jewish population was deported. Sick and disabled people were killed on the spot. All the 2-3-year-old children of the orphanage, 108 in number, were sent out of the city together with their nannies and killed. A total of 2,500 people were killed that night, while the remaining 26,000 were sent to the camps in Bełżec and Tremblinka [wywieziono do obozów w Bełżcu i Tremblince]. From Izbica Kujawska, 8,000 people were deported in an unknown direction. Reportedly, in Bełżec and Tremblinka the killing is carried out by means of toxic gases [za pomoca gazów trujacych]…”

so
2,500 sick/disabled -- 26,000 healthy
I don’t believe it for a second.

I always wondered why the Germans didn’t actually ‘liquidate’ the ghettos instead of wasting resources moving the unfit for work to camps.
I was always suspicious of that missing link, mostly due to the numerous child survivors from the ghettos.

It would seem black propaganda had a part to play, considering that the above was published on July 11 1942 and, according to orthodox Holocaust historiography, the alleged gas chambers of Treblinka started operating on July 23 1942.

So we have reports of toxic-gas killing at Treblinka before any ‘gas chamber’ there supposedly began operating. There is no explanation for this other than a mistake (i.e. no proof at all; worthless report) or a lie.

And consdering there is no physical evidence of gassings at Treblinka, this issue is one to be remembered for use when one is challenged on that mention.

See more in CARLO MATTOGNO, THE “OPERATION REINHARDT” CAMPS, section 3.1

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Re: Mattogno's notes on Treblinka black propaganda

Postby Hektor » 2 months 4 weeks ago (Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:11 am)

It's not the process or product that counts here. What counts are presentation, marketing, reputation. As long they can uphold this. "The Holocaust" will continue selling. Usually this kind of behavior would have some function in selling some brands of shampoo, cars, clothing or whatever. But those that push the Holocaust, for sure realized that when you a bad product, virtually nobody could possibly could put under quality control, that any lack of solid evidence could be compensated with smooth talkers, marketing specialized and PR-savvy characters.
Also bear in mind. There is a shortage of positions for people with advanced studies in the humanities. So when some Holocaust-NGO starts looking for a 'Historian' or 'Social Psychologist' they for sure will be able to pick from a large amount of applications and pick the most telegenic folks for them.

Concerning Dates of 'started gassing'. There it's easy to claim one 'found new evidence'. And concerning physical evidence, they opt for "feed'm shit and keep'm in the dark". Can't show physical evidence? "Them fiendish Nazis have made it all vanished".

But killing 2500 people is a hard accusation. That demands hard evidence. Where is it? Can they even show evidence for one person killed and link it with the 2500 people killed. Now that would be a start to seriously look into the matter. If they could, they would. But they can't. Asserting is enough for them. And people have gotten used to them asserting and then linking it with propaganda pictures. No evidence for gassing or burying of massive amounts of corpses in Treblinka neither. So transit camp is based explanation there. Maidanek has been labor camp. But having no evidence for anything else this didn't stop the enemies of NS-Germany to make bold claims about "extermination camps".

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Re: Mattogno's notes on Treblinka black propaganda

Postby Merlin300 » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:42 am)

Regarding So we have reports of toxic-gas killing at Treblinka before any ‘gas chamber’ there supposedly began operating.
Of course!
Consider the Black Book of Polish Jewry
This information was presented in London in October 1942 and published in November.
The United States edition was published in 1943.
Below is the chapter on Treblinka- One can see all the elements of Holocaust Belief. The more absurd claims dropped out later on...Steam chambers for diesel engines and diesel engines for gasoline engines.
One can see other reports from late 1942 of alleged extermination
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/edu ... ihilation/

These reports belie claims that the Allied governments were "surprised" by the Holocaust.
The response of of the American and British governments is a sub-story in itself.
See Bermuda Conference 1943. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperi ... t-bermuda/

In fact, The British government contacted the Polish Underground and requested they investigate the Treblinka story.
A detailed report came back in Feb 1943 on both Treblinka Camps, stating mass killings were not happening at either
and suggesting that there may be a Treblinka 3 camp.
Anyway, every Revisionist should be aware of the 1942 Reports on Treblinka. Be aware that the Wikipedia cite Does NOT mention
Chapter Nine and Wikipedia claims "The editorial policy was to marginalize news of the death camps and focus on the Nazi policies and practices, which had a better chance of resonating with American audiences." Judge for yourselves the honesty of Wikipedia.


THE BLACK BOOK OF POLISH JEWRY p. 141
CHAPTER NINE

TREBLINKA

Official Report Submitted to the Polish Government

The village of Treblinka is situated near the Warsaw-Bialystok railroad line, a few kilometers from Malkinia, in a sandy and wooded area. The population consists of Polish peasant-farmers and forest workers. In 1940, the Germans established a penitentiary concentration camp, Treblinka A, on the sandy stretches near the village, for Poles who were guilty of transgressions against the occupant, of not supplying the demanded amounts of agricultural produce, or who were caught smuggling. The discipline at the camp is very strict; prisoners are shot on any pretext. The camp is as notorious as the penitentiary camp at Oswiencim.

In March, 1942, the Germans began the construction of another camp, Treblinka B, in the vicinity. That camp has become the slaughterhouse for the Jews of Poland and of other European countries. Poles from the nearby Treblinka A, as well as Jews caught in the neighboring villages, were put to work at the preparatory construction. That work lasted until the end of April when the central building of the camp, death-house No. 1, was built.

Treblinka B is situated on sandy hills among woodland. The area of the camp is comparatively small, some 5,000 hectares (about 12,500 acres). It is entirely surrounded by a green fence interwoven with barbed wire entanglements. Part of the fence runs through a young forest in the north. At the four corners of the camp, observation points were placed for the Lagerschutz (Camp Guard). The Lagerschutz consists mostly of Ukrainians armed with machine guns. At the observation points strong searchlights have been placed to light the entire place at night. Observation posts are also set in the middle of the camp and on the hills in the woodlands. The western border of Treblinka B is formed by the rail embankment along which runs a side-track that connects the camp with the main railroad-line. The side-line was constructed in recent months, in order that the trains of transports might be delivered directly to the slaughter-house. The northern border of

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the camp is formed by the forest; east and south the border cuts through sandy hills. In the area of the camp, bushes form a long stretch parallel to the railroad tracks starting in the north.

A railroad-crossing is adjacent to the side-track; trains with transports halt there. From that barrier there is an entrance to a square which holds two to three thousand persons. The square is fenced in with barbed-wire. On the square, not far from the northern border, there is a wooden barracks. In the south-western corner of the square there is a guard-house with a military post on 24-hour duty. South of the square, outside of the fence, there is a cloth-sorting place (Lumpensortierungsplatz), and further south, there is the execution place for the camp-commandant and the graves of the victims murdered by him. The arrival-square is connected with the rest of the area by an entrance in the north-eastern corner in the fence. From there, a path runs through the woods for about 200 meters eastwards and then turns at right angles to the south and runs along a forest, parallel to the western limit of the arrival-square. This road stops at a large building of an unusual shape: it is an unfinished one-story brick-construction, about 40 meters long and 15 meters wide. (When we received the information concerning Treblinka B in the first half of September, this building was about to be finished.) The Germans began the construction of that building after the action started, probably in the middle of August, with the help of Jewish artisans picked out from among the Jews brought to Treblinka for slaughter. It is significant that the bricks for the construction had been brought from as far as Warsaw, in trucks attached to each transport. The bricks were loaded in the Warsaw Umschlagplatz by Jewish workers. According to the report of an eyewitness, the interior of the building is as follows: a corridor 3 meters wide runs through the middle; there are five chambers on each side; the height of each chamber is about 2 meters; the area about 35 square meters. The execution chambers are without windows, but they have doors opening on the corridor and a type of valve on the outside walls. Next to these valves there are large scoops (they remind one of large vessels). In the walls pipes were installed from which water-steam is supposed to pour into the chambers. This was to have been death-house No. 2.

A path skirts the building and runs along its western wall finally ending at the next building near death-house No. 1. This building is at right angles to the death-house No. 2. It is a brick construction much smaller than the other. It consists of only three chambers and a steam-room. Along the northern wall of this house runs a corridor from which there are doors to the chambers. The outside walls of the chambers

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have valves (until recently doors which had been changed into valves for utility reasons). Also here a scoop in the shape of a shallow vessel is placed at the height of the valves. The steam-room is adjacent to the building. Inside the steam-room there is a large vat which produces the steam. The hot steam comes into the chambers through pipes installed there, each having the prescribed number of vents. While this machinery of death is in action, the doors and valves are hermetically closed. The floor in the chambers has a terra-cotta inlay which becomes very slippery when water is poured over it. There is a well next to the steam-room, the only well in the whole area of Treblinka B. Not far from the death-house, south of the barbed-wire and wooden fences, there is a grave-diggers' camp. The grave-diggers live in barracks next to which are the kitchen buildings. On both sides of the camp there are two guard-houses. The remaining area of Treblinka B is destined for the murdered victims. A part of that area is already a large cemetery. At first, Poles employed in the camps dug the graves; later, as the slaughter was intensified and the need for more ditches grew, special digging-machines (bulldozers) were brought, which run day and night at grave-digging. A Diesel-motor supplies the energy and its rattle is a characteristic sound at Treblinka B.

The supervisors and execution-staff are small in numbers. The slaughter-house is commanded by an S.S. man of the rank of major; his name is Sauer. The German staff, consisting of S.S.-men, are in terror of their chief. The moment they see him from the distance they drive the Jewish workers as well as the victims on their way to death with even greater energy. Altogether, there are ten Germans and thirty Ukrainians.

The German crew changes from time to time; sometimes S.S.-men from various towns of the General Government who were active at the deportations there, arrive in the camp.

In addition to the German-Ukrainian Lagerschutz, there is also the Jewish auxiliary, part of whom are busy at the sorting place for the clothing of the victims (Lumpensortierungsplatz), and part of whom act as grave-diggers. They empty the execution chambers and bury the dead; the rest work at the arrival-square. The groups of the Jewish auxiliary service are headed by group-leaders whom the Germans call "kapos." They are relatively better fed than the rest and wear a triangular yellow patch at their knees to distinguish them from the others. The personnel of the Jewish auxiliary service undergoes almost daily changes. Rarely can a Jew stand that service for more than two weeks, due to the inhuman treatment they receive at the hands of the Germans.

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They are constantly tortured and whipped; corporal punishment (25 strokes) is very frequent as well as the shooting of the weak ones who lose their fitness for work. This is done mostly by the chief himself. Every day there is a roll-call. The German asks who does not feel strong enough to carry on with the work? A few men step out of the row, report their unfitness and beg him — as though for a favor — to be shot. The executions take place at a special spot; the victim himself stands erect over a grave while the chief shoots at the back of the victim's head. The next victim has to step nearer and throw the body of the murdered one into the ditch, and then a few moments later, share the fate of his predecessor. These young Jews are so overworked that all will to resist is gone; on the other hand, the German terror is so atrocious that it makes them even want to die so as not to suffer further inhuman tortures. In one of the first days of September, the chief of Treblinka thus murdered 500 young Jews by shooting them one after another with his gun; what is startling is that not one of this group of a few hundred men attempted to resist death. The execution lasted from 7:30 to 3 P.M.

The relatively lightest work in the death camp is the sorting of the clothing of victims. While assigned to that work, one can eat to one's heart's content, for the "deported" Jews took along large food-stocks: bread, marmalade, fat, sugar. But the chief does not leave the men at this work for any length of time; after a few days, he transfers them to grave-digging.

The gaps in the Jewish auxiliary service are supplemented from among the transports arriving in Treblinka. As a rule, two transports arrive daily: one in the morning and one toward evening. In the period of greatest intensity of the action a few transports arrive daily. Each train consists of a few score of freight cars. Some of the cars halt at the side-track straight across from the arrival-square, while the remaining cars are shifted to the side to wait until the first part is taken care of. The cars are quickly emptied. The tortured and excited throng breathes with relief when let out on the square. They are immediately taken over by the Jewish auxiliary guard headed by the "kapos." These give orders in Yiddish. The women and children are ordered to enter the barracks immediately while the men remain in the square. Looking around, they see a high pillar with a poster bearing a large inscription: Achtung Warschauer (Attention, natives of Warsaw) despite the fact that transports of Jews from many other towns of the General Government, from Germany and the states of Western Europe are also brought to Treblinka. "Do not worry about your fate," continues the poster. "You

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are all going eastward for work; you will work and your wives will take care of your households. Before leaving, however, you have to take a bath and your clothing must be disinfected. You have to deposit your valuables and money with the cashier (of Treblinka) for which you will get receipts. After the bath and disinfection, you will receive everything back unharmed."

In the first period of murder in Treblinka an S.S. officer with a kind, confidence-inspiring face used to come to the square and hold a speech along the same lines. However, when in the course of the action ever larger transports arrived from various parts and the crowds had to be quickly liquidated, the Germans cancelled the speech as superfluous.

To make the Jews believe that actual classification according to trades would take place at the arrival-square in order to send occupational groups for labor, they placed small signs with the inscriptions: Tailors, Shoemakers, Carpenters, etc. It goes without saying that such segregation never took place.

The "kapos" quickly put the men in rows of ten, ordering them to take off their shoes, undress completely and prepare for a bath. Everybody is permitted to take along a piece of soap and his documents. In the meantime the sorting-service men take away the clothing to the sorting-place. Women and children also have to undress completely. Now comes the last act of the Treblinka tragedy. The terrorized mass of men, women and children starts on its last road to death. At the head a group of women and children is driven, beaten by the accompanying Germans, whips in their hands. The group is driven ever quicker; ever heavier blows fall upon the heads of the women who are mad with fear and suffering. The cries and laments of the women together with the shouts and curses of the Germans interrupt the silence of the forest. The people finally realize that they are going to their death. At the entrance of death-house No. 1 the chief himself stands, a whip in his hand; beating them in cold blood, he drives the women together with the shouts and curses of the Germans interrupt the silence of the forest. The floors of the chambers are slippery. The victims slip and fall, and they cannot get up for new numbers of forcibly driven victims fall upon them. The chief throws small children into the chambers over the heads of the women. When the execution chambers are filled the doors are hermetically closed and the slow suffocation of living people begins, brought about by the steam issuing from the numerous vents in the pipes. At the beginning, stifled cries penetrate to the outside; gradually they quiet down and 15 minutes later the execution is complete.

Now comes the turn of the grave-diggers. Shouting and cursing, the

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German overseers drive the diggers to their work, which consists of getting the bodies out of the execution chambers. The grave-diggers stand at the scoop, near the valves. The valves open but not a body falls out. Due to the steam all the bodies have become a homogeneous mass stuck together with the perspiration of the victims. In their death agonies, arms, legs, trunks are intertwined into a gigantic macabre entanglement. To make it possible for the grave-diggers to get out single bodies, cold water from the near-by well is poured over the mass. Then the bodies separate and may be taken out. As a rule the surfaces of the bodies are not defaced; only the faces and buttocks are purple. The grave-diggers, constantly beaten and driven by the Germans, place the corpses on the scoops until the chambers are empty. The bodies lie piled up like slaughtered cattle. Now the burying takes place. Formerly (during the first half of August), the Jewish grave-diggers had hand-carts to convey the bodies to the ditches, which had to be done at top speed. Lately, however, the chief did away with them. "Ein Mann — zwei Leichen" (one man — two corpses), meaning that each grave-digger has to bury two corpses. He ties the legs or the arms of the body with his belt and running, pulls it from the scoop to the ditches, throws it in and, again running, returns for the next load. Formerly the graves were right at the death-house so that the burying of corpses could take place quickly. As new victims were added, the grave-line moved ever further to the east and the pulling of the corpses to the graves takes longer and longer. After the ditch is filled, the grave-diggers quickly cover the bodies with earth and the digging-machine nearby prepares the next grave.

The execution of the men is identical. They also are driven through the road in the woods to their death. The victims react differently while being driven in the direction of the death-house; some repeat loudly psalms of penitence, confess their sins; others curse God; but a sudden shout of the Germans and the blows falling upon the backs of the doomed men immediately brings silence on the whole crowd. Sometimes all the victims cannot get into the overcrowded chambers; then the Germans keep the rest in the woods near the slaughter-house. These people see and hear everything but there is no attempt at self-preservation.

This is irrefutable proof of the atrocious terror wielded over their victims by the Germans.

The new death-house provides for the liquidation of 8,000 to 10,000 victims. If we consider that right now 2,000,000 murdered Jews, or the greater part of Polish Jewry, are already buried in the area of

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Treblinka, the disturbing question arises: for whom do the S.S.-men intend that new house of death; who are to utter their last breaths in that slaughter-house? Most probably the death-machine, once started, will not limit itself to murdering Jews. At present, the specter of death in steam chambers rises before the Polish population; there have already been some signs of it: according to a report of an eyewitness, the Germans exterminated a group of Poles in death-house No. 1, in the second half of August.

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Re: Mattogno's notes on Treblinka black propaganda

Postby borjastick » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:26 pm)

Treblinka 2 is about 8 hectares. Do they really expect to be believed and taken seriously when they make such mistakes, or is this a typo?
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Postby Hektor » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:44 am)

borjastick wrote:Treblinka 2 is about 8 hectares. Do they really expect to be believed and taken seriously when they make such mistakes, or is this a typo?


They expect to be taken seriously, because most people won't know anyway and won't even bother to investigate. The risk is that a skeptical person looks deeper into a matter. But once people have bought the story, he is one guy talking against thousands. As soon as you can have intellectual elites buying into this, including historians, the story will stick for long. And it will last as long as it can be pushed and maintained. And isn't this what was done after world war two, especially after the 1960s?

With Treblinka the big thing is that they alleged that in the range of 800.000 people were killed and buried there and subsequently burned to hide all the evidence. That story alone is of course fishy. And well. "Making such evidence vanishing" would of course produce even more evidence. Now where is it?

Don't we always hear the fallacious argument of: "If they weren't gassed, where did they go"?

That's misleading, the real question: "If they were gassed, where is the evidence?" And I'm talking physical evidence here, not just more assertions and cheesy appeals to emotion.
The psy-op has managed to to turn 'burden of proof' on its head. And this by muddying the waters.

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Re: Mattogno's notes on Treblinka black propaganda

Postby slob » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:27 am)

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14 May 1945 Manchester Evening News

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Re: Mattogno's notes on Treblinka black propaganda

Postby Hektor » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:28 am)

slob wrote:Image
14 May 1945 Manchester Evening News



Imagine getting those news.

Response? "That's an exaggeration" ... Now settles on a lower figure of those being exterminated.

That, my friend, is how well crude atrocity propaganda can work.

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Re: Mattogno's notes on Treblinka black propaganda

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 week ago (Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:10 am)

I think we need to take note on what "Black Propaganda" means. I found two meanings being used (others being possible):
* One is blackballing the enemy. Portraying him in some diabolical light. It's essentially demonization of the enemy to stir up emotion.
* It also means propaganda that isn't notable immediately as such. This would e.g. be copying a newspaper of the enemy and putting then text into it to your liking. Alternatively one could run a radio-station that pretends to be from the enemy to enemy troops.

So sometimes it's atrocity propaganda. On other occasions, and I think it was initially used that way, it is covert up propaganda with the false pretense of origins.

One has to make clear what is meant, when debating the issue.


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