phdm article about the evaporation of hydro hydrocyanic acid from zyklon b / "Refutation" of Germar Rudolf

[Otium]

I didn't know how to best title this post. But I will continue nonetheless.

On July 20th, 2020 Germar Rudolf chatted with the guys from TRS on their show "The Daily Shoah" (See interview: https://therightstuff.biz/2020/07/20/tds620-the-rudolf-report/). It's a very good interview, a bit awkward at times, but overall very good. Germar was interviewed about a variety of things and one caught my attention, because it was unfortunately not elaborated on. Mike, one of the hosts, asked Germar about a paper from 2016 by someone Mike called "Giles Carmison" (my spelling of his name could be entirely wrong, I spelt based on Mikes pronunciation) published on phdn (see 1:22:17). I could not find this paper online, so I was wondering if anyone here has heard of it or knows of a response to it? Because it didn't sound like Germar had heard of this guy or this paper whatsoever. He just brushes over it.

[Lamprecht]

I briefly checked the site (which is in French) and couldn't find any article from 2016 about that. Maybe you could email TRS and ask them about a link to it.

Or if anyone is a paid subscriber, they could do it instead as they would likely have better luck, or they could possibly check the video version (if there is one)

[Otium]

I briefly checked the site (which is in French) and couldn't find any article from 2016 about that. Maybe you could email TRS and ask them about a link to it.

Or if anyone is a paid subscriber, they could do it instead as they would likely have better luck, or they could possibly check the video version (if there is one)

I have emailed them regarding this and about another matter as well. They responded about 40 minutes ago, but not regarding the article unfortunately.

Checking the video version would be best I agree. I've wanted to get behind the paywall for a while now, so i'm looking into doing that.

[Marley775]

On July 20th, 2020 Germar Rudolf chatted with the guys from TRS on their show "The Daily Shoah" (See interview: https://therightstuff.biz/2020/07/20/tds620-the-rudolf-report/). Mike, one of the hosts, asked Germar about a paper from 2016 by someone Mike called "Giles Carmison" (my spelling of his name could be entirely wrong, I spelt based on Mikes pronunciation) published on phdn (see 1:22:17)...

It's Gilles Karmasyn, if it may help.

[Otium]

It's Gilles Karmasyn, if it may help.

Thank you, I have now found a variety of papers. All of which are in French.

Germar rudolf profile & biography by Gilles Karmasyn
https://phdn.org/negation/rudolf/biogermarrudolf.html

Here's the 2016 paper Mike was talking about:

Scientific incompetence and falsifications by Germar Rudolf About the evaporation of hydrocyanic acid from Zyklon B by Gilles Karmasyn
https://phdn.org/negation/rudolf/rudolfincompetencefalsifications.html

This is the profile they have of Germar:
https://phdn.org/negation/rudolf/

With links to old papers Germar has already refuted, namely those by Richard J. Green. I hope that Germar, at some point can respond to this Gilles Karmasyn fellow (he doesn't appear to be mentioned at all in the CODOH library). Although I doubt he says much different to Green, a hint that this might be the case is this line:

The " demonstrations " of Germar Rudolf had early been refuted in English, including a professional chemical engineer (that is not Germar Rudolf), Richard J. Green

Unfortunately, I think Germar is busy at the moment with his GoFundMe to pay his court bills as a result of his hack lawyers throwing out his case against a lying police officer that claimed Germar was a perverted exhibitionist.

[Pia Kahn]

Well thanks for posting this. The gist of the paper is the claim that Zyklon B evaporates hydrogen cyanide much faster than claimed by Germar Rudolf. He claims that Rudolf fabricated the curve representing the evaporation speed..

"I.  Comment Rudolf a fabriqué sa courbe de vitesse d’évaporation de l’HCN

Rudolf se présente comme un scientifique et affirme effectuer des démonstrations scientifiques. Pour affirmer que la vitesse d’évaporation est lente il faut disposer de mesures concrètes. Rudolf n’en dispose pas mais va tout de même proposer une courbe. Il nous faut examiner comment ainsi que la nature de cette courbe.

Il prétend (p. 59) disposer de deux sources, dont l’une émane, prétend Rudolf de «l’US-Army Chemical Corps». Nous l’examinerons plus tard car, bien qu’intéressante pour notre propos, elle est peu exploitée par Rudolf.

Celui-ci insiste surtout sur une lettre qu’il aurait reçue de la firme Detia Freyberg, qui a pris la suite de la société Degesch dans la commercialisation de produits comme le Zyklon B. "

In English:

"I. How Rudolf fabricated the graph of the evaporation speed of HCN

Rudolf presents himself as a scientist and purports to perform scientific demonstrations. In order to prove that the evaporation speed is slow one has to perform concrete measurements. Rudolf doesn't do that but nevertheless he proposes a graph. We must examine the nature of this graph.

He pretends (page 59) to be in the possession of two sources, one of them - Rudolf purports - is from the "US Army Chemical Corps". We shall examine it later on because .... Rudolf doesn't use it very much.

He relies overwhelmingly on a letter that he received from the company "Detia Freyberg", which is the successor of the Degesch company in the commercialisation of products like Zyklon B."

I haven't read much further, but I do remember that Rudolph relies on the measurement of this speed from an original German document. Thus, he does not propose a graph. Possibly, the original Rudolph report lacked this information? I don't know.

Oh yeah, here it is on page 236, he relies on a paper, which contains the measurement of the evaporation characteristics published by Irmsher.

http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/02-tcoa.pdf

O.K. I stop reading right there, because this French paper is not (or possibly no longer) relevant for the Rudolf report.

[Pia Kahn]

O.K. later on the French paper does talk about the Irmscher paper. Sorry, but this paper is really polemical and bad. In the beginning, they claim that he mainly relies on a letter and later on the French paper discusses the Irmscher paper. Thus, Rudoph did not fabricate the graph, he took if from a scientific paper. Here is another example of the "dishonesty" of this French paper:

"V.  Une négligence scientifique majeure de Germar Rudolf: l’importance de la température"

In English:

" V. A major scientific negligence by Germar Rudolf: the importance of the temperature"

later on I read:

"Cela est évidemment passé sous silence, «oublié» par Germar Rudolf et rend dérisoires toutes ses arguties sur les vitesses d’évaporation de l’HCN. Aucun scientifique digne de ce nom n’oserait négliger la question de la température dans une étude relative à une problématique d’évaporation!"

In English:

"This is evidently treated with silence, "forgotten" by Germar Rudolf and renders ridiculous all of his sophistry about the evaporation speed of HCN. No scientist worthy of his name would dare to neglect the question of the temperature in a study about the problem of evaporation!"

Does Rudolf neglect the influence of the temperature on the evaporation speed? This is what he writes in the Rudolf report:

"For later references, we want to keep in mind that, at 15°C and in the presence of low relative humidity, approximately 10% of the hydrogen cyanide used at Auschwitz has left the carrier material during the first five minutes, and approximately 45% after half an hour. At a temperature of 30°C, it can be expected that 15% would have been released within the first five minutes, and up to 60% after half an hour. In areas with a relative humidity of approximately 100%, however, the evaporation times would have been “seriously delayed....On the other hand, the relative atmospheric humidity in the cellars of Crematoria II and III, which certainly would have approached 100% when packed full of people, would have “seriously delayed” evaporation...The present study regarding homicidal mass gassings will be based on the
assumption that the Zyklon B would at best have behaved in the manner described by Irmscher at 15°C (see above), which is assumed to be similar to a temperature inside the chamber of 30°C, a relative humidity near 100%, and a carrier wetted by a wet floor and/or not finely distributed, depending on the scenario considered. 300”

Here is the first English language edition of the Rudolf Report, which also discusses the temperature effects:

https://archive.org/details/TheRudolfRe ... 5/mode/2up

Thus, Rudolf does not neglect the impact of temperature. This French paper is basically lying about the Rudolf report. This French paper is indeed a fraud!

I wonder why people do such a thing, when it takes few minutes to expose such a fraud! Do they think that people just won't notice? I have no idea.

[Lamprecht]

Not sure why they are responding to the Rudolf report in 2016, as it has been replaced by "The Chemistry of Auschwitz"

http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php ... &page_id=2

[Webmaster]

Note: Another discussion of this podcast interview can be found in this thread:

Germar Rudolf interviewed by podcasters - July 20 2020 - including about his recent arrest

Webmaster

[fireofice]

So I reread the article and was surprised to find there was a postscript apparently made in 2020 in response to Rudolf's appearance on TRS. He also responds to his newest book release. All errors he made in regards to Irmscher were corrected in his newest edition. So that part all now seems to be moot. With the corrections made, it doesn't seem to have affected his conclusions.

The entire article boils down to criticisms of what he said about Irmscher and quoting other experts that put the evaporation rate higher than Irmscher. G. Peters said that most of the HCN was released after a half an hour and Dr. Herbert Rauscher said that 28% of HCN was released in 5 minutes and that this was supposedly based on experiments (I am taking the article's word here and haven't been able to check the original transcript). However, the only scientific paper we seem to have on this is Irmscher, which contradicts what they said. Despite the fact that they are experts, it seems to me we should go with the scientific paper and not just what some experts said. Experts have been wrong before after all:

https://thealternativehypothesis.org/in ... rt-speech/

In the postscript, looks at Germar's claim that humidity, which causes condensation, will lower the evaporation rate. He responds to this by saying that this is based on Irmscher which only looks at Zyklon B under certain temperatures. However, a point Germar makes in his book is that HCN release will cool the pellets, which will attract condensation which will cool it even further. All this seems reasonable to me as a layman. Until new evidence comes out, I think this is a reasonable conclusion based on the science we currently know.

So when it comes down to it, all we have with this article is attacks on Rudolf's number which he corrected in the newest edition, quoting experts that are probably wrong, and some stuff about temperature and humidity which Rudolf also responded to.

[fireofice]

I'm actually not completely sure if condensation causes cooling. I must have misremembered something as I can't find this information. Regardless, the point of evaporation causing cooling and attracting vapors causing condensation which makes the temperature point kind of moot still stands. I also think it's on the person claiming that temperature affects the effect of humidity on the evaporation process to demonstrate that.

[fireofice]

TDS responds to Gilles here at 32:30

https://odysee.com/@Clip:0/TDS981c1:9

[fireofice]

I should point out that the claims of Rauscher and Peters don't appear to be within the temperatures of Irmscher, so it's not clear that there is a contradiction. However, there is still no support for what they said aside just them saying so. All we have to go on is Irmscher's published results. The main point of refutation here is what Mike said in the TDS episode above. Humidity and the pellets being clumped together will slow down the rate of evaporation even in higher temperatures, and Gilles has no basis for saying otherwise.