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Re: The future of Artificial Intelligence and the Holocaust debate

Postby greatmystery » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:44 am)

Hektor wrote:
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fireofice wrote:Another AI called MyReplika denying the holocaust:

https://twitter.com/sparklingruby/statu ... 2469732353


Lmao. That lady clutching her pearls about it to status signal is funny, yet also disgusting.
I've had a lot of fun debating ChatGPT about the Holocaust. Maybe I'll check out this MyReplika business.


In the beginning it appeared to me that 'Holocausting' was especially attractive to the 'educated dupes'. People that did do well in the lingual subjects on high school and would go study some humanities subjects at university later. The background was commonly 'educated middle class' with the parents holding a degree and working for the government in some way being the typical scenario (teachers, academics, social workers, doctors, pastors...[here they did usually not work for the government, were more socially conservative than e.g. church folks in the European countries]). Those kids, who grew up in caring, save and stable homes, were of course shocked when confronted with the run of the mill 'Holocaust Education'. This must 'never happen again'. And 'we need to do something for tolerance'. So the 'moralistic' argument for their academic and career path must have seemed 'obvious' to them. Being naive and probably honestly shocked made them the 'ideal missionaries' for the Holocaust. As it doesn't appear to an audience that they are telling lies. Only later I noticed that Holocausting seems to attract unsavory characters as well. This is the type that likes virtue-signaling and pushing around people as well. Essentially they discovered that the Myth is handy as a stick against 'non-compliant' people and that there is virtually no defense against this by ordinary people. Indeed something that should be investigated as well, what the 'psychology of Holocaustians' is. On twitter I noticed that even mild critic of the tales can get a whole pack of jackals on your account, which they will try to shut down. On the other hand, them being the main proponents, makes the whole thing suspect over time. But bear in mind that it is a dogma nobody dares to question and as far as the 'educated classes' go, I don't think that they are in the mental condition that they would really challenge it. To complacent with their positions and not interested in endangering their 'culture capital' or their 'reputation' and I think often they have reasons not to hang too far out of the window... Someone may use the opportunity to push.
And yeah. "Truth is relative", "consensus beats evidence and logic" all the time. So they don't have the intellectual ability to challenge this anyway. But one can turn their own assertions and tricks against them as well. E.g. "The Holocaust is a social construct"... "Myth as history", etc. Suddenly all the arguments, they like to use against 'Eurocentrism', 'Colonialism', 'Racism' become invalid, then. There is really space for some cultural/intellectual project to be applied, but the problem is to get hold of an audience that is also ready to support it.


Very good points. People that benefit from the current system are going to shill for it and not go against its narratives. This is especially true of trans people. They are unnatural and therefore can not survive without the current system. Thus, they are some of the biggest jannies for orthodox narratives. Now I'm wondering if Holocaust affirming is big in the trans community. I'm going to have to look into that.

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Re: The future of Artificial Intelligence and the Holocaust debate

Postby borjastick » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:27 am)

I had this very interesting email and attached messages from a chat AI system from a previous inhabitant of this parish who now no longer visits. We are friends and thus still in contact. He thought I might be interested and has agreed for me to publish this here with a few edits to protect his ID.

'I've been using the new AI Chat GPT. I was curious about the rail gauge in Ukraine and how it could impact the current war. It got completely confused at first and have me a whole lot of false info, but as I've found out before, when you tell it this it digs deeper and gets the right info.

I then thought to ask about the wartime Malkinia Górna issue which I know you are interested in. Here is that part of the conversation verbatim'



Me;
I am interested in the impact the issue of gauge had on the German military campaign. Did issues of gauge incompatibility impede them?

Answer; The issue of rail gauge incompatibility did indeed pose a significant challenge for the German military campaign during World War II, particularly during the invasion of the Soviet Union.

At the time of the invasion, the German rail network used the standard gauge of 1,435 mm (4 ft 8 1⁄2 in), while the Soviet rail network used the broad gauge of 1,524 mm (5 ft). This meant that the German military had to deal with the challenge of converting its own railways to the broader gauge used in the Soviet Union, or of building new railways altogether, in order to supply their troops and equipment.

To address this challenge, the Germans embarked on a massive rail construction project, known as the "Trans-Siberian Railroad of the East," which aimed to build a new rail network with the broad gauge across the Soviet Union. However, this project was never fully completed due to the demands of the war and the eventual German defeat.

The gauge incompatibility also had other consequences, such as slowing down the movement of troops and equipment, and making it more difficult to maintain supply lines. It is worth noting that the Soviet Union had a strategic advantage in this regard, as its railways were already built to the broad gauge, which made it easier for them to move troops and supplies across the vast territory of the Soviet Union.

Overall, the issue of rail gauge incompatibility was a significant challenge for the German military campaign in the Soviet Union, and it had an impact on the logistics and supply of troops and equipment, as well as on the overall conduct of the war.




Me;
I am particularly interested in whether there was a gauge issue at or near Malkinia Górna, which was very close to the border between the German and Soviet occupied parts of Poland?
Answer; Yes, there was a gauge issue near Malkinia Górna, which was located very close to the border between the German and Soviet-occupied parts of Poland during World War II.

At the time of the German invasion of the Soviet Union, there was a railway junction at Malkinia Górna, where the standard gauge German railway network met the broad gauge Soviet railway network. This posed a significant challenge for the Germans, who had to convert their railway lines to the broader gauge used in the Soviet Union in order to transport troops and equipment across the border.

To address this challenge, the Germans built a rail spur at Malkinia Górna to facilitate the transfer of goods between the two railway networks. This rail spur included a transshipment yard where goods could be transferred from standard gauge wagons to broad gauge wagons (or vice versa), as well as a system of ramps and cranes for lifting the wagons onto the appropriate tracks.

Despite these efforts, the issue of rail gauge incompatibility remained a significant challenge for the German military campaign in the Soviet Union, and it had an impact on the logistics and supply of troops and equipment. The rail spur at Malkinia Górna was one of several locations where the Germans had to deal with this challenge, and it required significant resources and manpower to operate effectively.




Me;
Thank you very much. I have not been able to find that information elsewhere.
Answer; You're welcome! I'm glad I could provide you with the information you were looking for. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask!




Me;
Do you know where that spur near Malkinia Górna ran? Was it connected to either of the camps Treblinka 1 and Treblinka 2?


Answer; I'm not aware of any direct connection between the rail spur at Malkinia Górna and the Treblinka concentration and extermination camps. However, it is possible that some of the trains carrying prisoners and supplies to the camps may have passed through Malkinia Górna or used the rail spur for transshipment.

The main railway line connecting Malkinia Górna to the east passed through Siedlce, which was located approximately 60 km south of Treblinka 1 and 90 km south of Treblinka 2. It is likely that trains carrying prisoners and supplies to the camps would have used this railway line and may have stopped at stations along the way for transshipment or to change trains.

It is worth noting that the operation of the rail network during the German occupation of Poland was tightly controlled by the German authorities, and the movement of trains and passengers was subject to strict regulations and surveillance. This meant that any trains passing through Malkinia Górna would have been closely monitored and controlled by the German military and police authorities.



Me;
Thank you again
Answer; You're welcome! If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask.




Me;
There was a spur to Treblinka 1 from Malkinia which can be traced even today on Google Earth. I was wondering whether this might be the same spur used for the changeover.
Answer; I see. While I cannot confirm the exact location or use of the rail spur you are referring to without more information or evidence, it is possible that this spur was used for transporting prisoners and supplies to Treblinka 1 during the war.

It is also possible that the rail spur was used for transshipment of goods between the standard gauge and broad gauge railways, as the spur at Malkinia Górna was primarily intended for this purpose. Given the proximity of the two locations, it is possible that the rail spur at Treblinka 1 was connected to the main railway line passing through Malkinia Górna.

However, without further information or historical records, it is difficult to confirm the exact use or significance of this rail spur. If you have any more specific information or evidence, that might help shed more light on its history and purpose.

There's a further follow up which I may show here tomorrow.
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Re: The future of Artificial Intelligence and the Holocaust debate

Postby Hektor » 2 months 1 week ago (Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:13 am)

greatmystery wrote:
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Lmao. That lady clutching her pearls about it to status signal is funny, yet also disgusting.
I've had a lot of fun debating ChatGPT about the Holocaust. Maybe I'll check out this MyReplika business.


In the beginning it appeared....o support it.


Very good points. People that benefit from the current system are going to shill for it and not go against its narratives. This is especially true of trans people. They are unnatural and therefore can not survive without the current system. Thus, they are some of the biggest jannies for orthodox narratives. Now I'm wondering if Holocaust affirming is big in the trans community. I'm going to have to look into that.



Indeed, those that think they benefit are unlikely to oppose or look for something 'better'. They rather carve out their position at the moment. The system doesn't have to offer lots of a dignified future for normies. But it offers any kind of opportunity to live out any filthy desire imaginable. And there is desire for wickedness in the human heart, albeit most people are able to control this at least to some degree.

But even those that resent the present system. That don't benefit and do realize that it is going into a wicked direction are not necessarily likely to openly oppose it. The reason is simply that people can not envision any alternative with the appearance of feasibility and/or realizability. The reasons for this are manifold. One thing is the dominance of appetites. Another is that they have no idea how a workable and practically livable system should look like. The distortion of history is a major factor in this. All they then can think of as alternatives is the diabliographies sketched by the cultural industry (academics, movie makers, book authors, etc). Those diabliographies are also useful in letting the present culture and system look better than it actually is. But the only plus point at the present is that it provides sufficient supply of necessities for life. This is due to industrialization and private enterprise of course. And because the problem of violence has been resolved sufficiently in the past centuries. But the irony is that this isn't the result of the present culture, it was the outcome of previous cultures, which are presently disparaged for being somehow evil. The Targets are traditionally White Nations as well as traditional Christianity. Both are presented as repressive or even genocidal. Any objective look at European History would of course show you differently in many ways. Yes, of course there were conflicts, but the success of White Nations was due to overcoming those conflicts via their cultural achievements. Now if you trash that culture, you will also destroy what produced the benefits over time. One would think that intellectuals would realize this, and indeed some actually do. But they are marginalized or disparaged by those that call the shots in the respective institutions. Because if you step out of line on 'the right side', you will be called a racist, homophobic, bigoted Nazi. If you do so on the left side than you can count on appraisal and others will be called on to 'tolerate' you. It's Marcuse's 'repressive tolerance' in action, which dictates to be tolerant to anything progressive, while being intolerant to anything that opposes that progressivism.

I also think that some within the plutocracy actually realize that the outcome of the present system will be collapse, since the overwhelming vices will make a functioning economy impossible over time. And that's why they come up with the "4th industrial revolution" were artificial intelligence will not only replace 'industrial workers', but also work that was previously done by engineers, administrators, managers and if you want 'experts' of every kind. That way they think they can eat the cake and still have it afterwards.

The repercussion of this is that it will extent moral decay of people over time (so no correction can occur) and it will establish a system of control that can deprive anyone within at any time. What is produced that way is more dystopian than 1984 or brave new world or any other text of that kind. And well, it looks kind of like the 'beast system' within Revelation 13, which has become rather infamous over the past decades. Since any wannabee prophet likes to cite from it and declare anyone they don't like 'the Anti-Christ'. Since that is rather obvious nonsense, especially take the source text serious, people understandably become weary of those 'warners'. It's also a go to excuse for those Materialist Atheists that 'trust the science', which is a way of saying that Scientism is their religion, while still concealing that fact. During the Covid-Scam those were the most lunatic supporters of the lockdowns and finally the jab, as well. But I think those are the people that at average also had most problems among those in employment at the time. Simply because they ate everything as 'sweet cake' that 'science says' and then had to pay the price for this. And of course they are also staunch Holocaust believers, more so than the average population. The later perhaps being more open to change their views on matters, if they could be exposed to well presented arguments with regards to the facticity of 'the Holocaust'. That's perhaps the reason why the censors are so anxious to get "Holocaust Denial" banned everywhere in the world. They know how to manage 'fringe denialism' simply due to the volume of indoctrination they can put in. If 5% don't believe them. So what. They don't have reach, they don't have resources to turn things around and even those they could convince that the Holocaust is a swindle, will either shut-up or take a turn as soon as they are exposed to the cults enforcement devices again. And lets face it.
Even, if people realize that the Holocaust is a bunch of wicked lies, they will consider several other issues in this. Once one isn't under the power of the lie anymore, one actually realizes how stupid the assertions by the Holocaust industry are. One immediately wonders how usually rather intelligent, hard-working, friendly people in academia can actually believe and pro-claim such utter nonsense and not even blink an eye about it. The unstated conclusion is that those pushing the lie, must have overwhelming power in some way. And this got a really intimidating effect on people's minds. Rather don't challenge something that is a) powerful b) invisible. It is especially the invisibility that scares people, which is why it is a factor in horror movies. People can still handle a strong elephant, since they can see where it is and what it does (and he gives warning before it charge). But a tiny venomous snake or spider is far more of a fear factor to them.

So rather comply and shut-up about things, before one draws attention of the powerful and a 'misfortune overcomes you. And that impression is created by all the attacks and subterfuge broad into line against 'Holocaust Deniers'. It starts with ostracism that will have an effect on economic prospects, it continues with being disparaged in media and being slandered via gossip. If that isn't enough, you'll be dragged into court... or even assaulted . So there is either the state, but preferably civil society or non-state actors being employed. The preferred tactic to make people mad is to first threaten and provoke them and when they fight back, call the cops and play the victim there. To me that reveals a special kind of wickedness in it all. Quite different from the sanctimonious hypocrites that engage in 'remembrance culture'. That you have nice, mean and really wicked people engaging in this, is an indicator for 'division of labor' in the program. And it works. It helps people being wicked still be enabled to play 'the good guys'.

Now artificial intelligence could also be used against the cult. Something like an "answer man", perhaps? Something were question can be asked and answers will be given to those that ask. One would first have to look at the concept for this and then see what is required to build something like this. Cost, Resources and everything there. The "Holocaust Answerman" could than be made available by download and be allowed to spread on social media. The trick would be not to be a 'Holocaust Denier', but simply point to all the lies they told and that there are serious problems with their evidence... With sources of course. People especially need to realize that this is a 'destructive cult' they are dealing with there. One that, different from the Jehova's, witnesses (who are mostly harmless) actually has some power and influence of course.

So there will be different layers in the product. One would have to start with an executive summary, before kicking a project off, there.

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Re: The future of Artificial Intelligence and the Holocaust debate

Postby Damian77 » 2 months 1 week ago (Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:34 am)

AI is a Minksy conceived Jewish golem. I won't deny that AI can be used for good, however.


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