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Churchill's 'naughty document' showing his plans to carve up Europe with Stalin after WW2

Postby Lamprecht » 4 years 1 month ago (Thu May 02, 2019 4:43 pm)

interesting stuff. So they didn't learn their lesson after Versailles? So much for the "liberation" of Europe. :roll:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... splay.html or https://archive.is/HLkSp
Winston Churchill's 'naughty document' showing his plans to carve up Europe with Stalin after World War Two goes on display for first time

- Britain's wartime leader made the secret pact with Soviet leader Stalin in 1944
- It carved up percentages of Bulgaria, Greece, Hungary, Romania and Yugoslavia
- Churchill admitted the carve-up of post-war Europe could be seen as 'callous'

The so-called 'naughty document' on which Winston Churchill carved up Europe with Josef Stalin is set to go on public display for the first time.

Britain's wartime leader made the secret pact with Moscow in 1944 as the Allies closed in on victory over Nazi Germany.

The sheet of paper showed the percentages of Bulgaria, Greece, Hungary, Romania and Yugoslavia which would be under Soviet or British control.

It is going on display at London's National Archives in an exhibition called Britain's Cold War Revealed, which begins on Thursday.

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'Naughty document:' This 1944 scrap of paper shows Winston Churchill's secret pact with Josef Stalin to carve up post-war Europe between Russia and the Western allies

The phrase 'naughty document' was coined by Churchill himself, who recognised that it could come over as 'callous'.
Churchill said his American allies would be 'shocked if they saw how crudely he had put it'.

The document contains a handwritten tick believed to have been scrawled by Stalin as he approved the carve-up of post-war Europe.

The exhibition's chief curator Mark Dunton told the Daily Telegraph: 'This was the result of late night discussions between Churchill and Stalin, they both had a fair bit of whiskey.

'I think it's important that this document is going on display because there's so much significance in that little square of paper.
'It's potentially incredibly significant - the fate of millions being decided with the stroke of a pen as a result of a casual meeting.'

The document did not discuss Poland, which Churchill had hoped to keep in the Western fold but which fell into Moscow's sphere of influence in 1945.

Despite his talks in Moscow Churchill also contemplated an 'Operation Unthinkable' war with Russia to drive Stalin's forces out of Eastern Europe.

By the late 1940s the wartime alliance had broken down, prompting the foundation of NATO to safeguard the Western alliance.
Churchill also coined the term 'iron curtain' to describe the new political division of Europe between East and West after the war.

The Berlin crisis of 1948-49, in which Stalin blockaded West Berlin in a failed bid to force the Western Allies out, was one of the early flashpoints of the Cold War.

The new exhibition in London, which runs from April 4 until November 9, marks 70 years since the birth of NATO.

Announcing it last year, Mr Dunton said: 'People will have the opportunity to explore our Cold War documents and learn more about this period of secrets and paranoia.

'The pervasive threat of nuclear war impacted everyday life for millions of people and this thought-provoking exhibition will offer a unique look into political and ideological tensions between the East and West.'
Sidebar:
What was in the 'naughty document'?

The 'naughty document', also known as the Percentages Agreement, revealed Churchill and Stalin's plans to carve up post-war Europe.

Churchill revealed its existence in one of his World War II memoirs.

The note begins by saying that it was written by the PM during a meeting with Stalin at the Kremlin.

It reads:

Roumania

Russia - 90 per cent

The others - 10 per cent

Greece

Great Britain, in accord with USA - 90 per cent

Russia - 10 per cent

Yugoslavia

50/50 per cent

Hungary

50/50 per cent

Bulgaria

Russia - 75 per cent

The others - 25 per cent
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
— Herbert Spencer


NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: Churchill's 'naughty document' showing his plans to carve up Europe with Stalin after WW2

Postby Mortimer » 2 years 6 months ago (Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:44 am)

And yet one of the reasons Churchill supporters say they like him is because he was "anti communist". This drunken idiot gave a speech in 1946 about an "iron curtain" descending over eastern Europe. What he didn't tell his listeners was that his appeasement of Stalin is what made the iron curtain possible.
http://newobserveronline.com/churchill- ... ts-reveal/
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Re: Churchill's 'naughty document' showing his plans to carve up Europe with Stalin after WW2

Postby Kretschmer » 2 years 6 months ago (Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:46 am)

Mortimer wrote:
And yet one of the reasons Churchill supporters say they like him is because he was "anti communist". This drunken idiot gave a speech in 1946 about an "iron curtain" descending over eastern Europe. What he didn't tell his listeners was that his appeasement of Stalin is what made the iron curtain possible.

I think that the greatest irony in all of this is that Churchill is praised by Germaphobes and so-called "Anglophiles" as the "tough guy" who denounced Chamberlain's "appeasement" of Hitler. Even if one were to falsely consider the Munich Agreement an example of appeasement to foreign despots from a Liberal perspective, Churchill was far more of an appeaser by this exact logic than Chamberlain could have ever managed.

And of course, as we all know, Churchill was an appeaser, while Chamberlain truly wasn't. Instead of arbitrarily cutting up Europe, Chamberlain reversed many ethnic complications which had posed a serious problem for many years. On the other hand, Churchill's Percentages Agreement would have repeated the exact same mistakes as those at Versailles, only somehow even more arbitrary and egregious.
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Re: Churchill's 'naughty document' showing his plans to carve up Europe with Stalin after WW2

Postby Mortimer » 2 years 2 months ago (Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:37 am)

The really sick thing about Churchill is that he spoke out against communism in the 1920s and 30s. He even wrote a 1920 newspaper article stating that Jews were responsible for communism. Yet after Adolf Hitler became chancellor of Germany and said the same thing Churchill called him "delusional".
https://codoh.com/library/document/chur ... aust-a/en/
That's because the money power got to him. He became a paid agent of a group of industrialists and bankers whose primary task was to agitate for war against Germany.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/Waley_Cohen.html
The Czechoslovakian government also kept him on their payroll for the exact same reason.
Churchill and Roosevelt made a big deal about issuing what they called The Atlantic Charter in August 1941. Can anyone explain how agreeing to Stalin taking over Poland and eastern Europe is in keeping with the stated aims of the Atlantic Charter ?
https://codoh.com/library/document/the- ... y-as-a/en/
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Re: Churchill's 'naughty document' showing his plans to carve up Europe with Stalin after WW2

Postby Mortimer » 1 year 7 months ago (Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:11 am)

Mortimer wrote:And yet one of the reasons Churchill supporters say they like him is because he was "anti communist". This drunken idiot gave a speech in 1946 about an "iron curtain" descending over eastern Europe. What he didn't tell his listeners was that his appeasement of Stalin is what made the iron curtain possible.
http://newobserveronline.com/churchill- ... ts-reveal/

The above link is dead. Try here for the same article.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190407084 ... ts-reveal/
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Re: Churchill's 'naughty document' showing his plans to carve up Europe with Stalin after WW2

Postby Mortimer » 1 year 2 months ago (Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:27 am)

Churchill is nothing but a glorified fraud. The many crimes of this man from his unfortunately long political career. This link is to a very anti Churchill book called The British Mad Dog by M S King. I consider it an antidote to all the other efforts that do nothing but praise and whitewash his career.
https://archive.org/details/m-s-king-th ... churchill/
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