New here - question regarding selection for deportation

[Percysflower]

Hello!

Forgive me if I am posting in an incorrect area of forum. I have a question that I have been unable to find or have answered. My question is, when the German’s were moving everybody out of their homes and onto the trains headed for the camps, how did they decide who was to be deported, what was the basis and reasoning? My question comes from this - I had 2 great grandmothers with very small children at the time when this was occurring. They were both Polish, living in small villages with their children, their husbands were on the front line at the time. One of my great grandmothers had German soldiers come through her house, however she lived on with her children in the small village, she was untouched. I’m unaware of any Jewish heritage in my family, but by birth & marriage, this particular grandmother had Jewish surnames. I’ve spoken to a few people and they have brought it down to “luck” but they were right there in her house, yet they spared her life and that of her children. When the Russians came through, she had to hide the children in barrels of wheat, she said they were monsters, and was always afraid.
I hope I have explained my question clearly enoih$c I would appreciate any insight, as I simply can’t find a solid answer as to why so many millions were deported, and so many were not. What are the grounds for this? Sincerely

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Hi, and welcome to the forum.

My question is, when the German’s were moving everybody out of their homes and onto the trains headed for the camps, how did they decide who was to be deported, what was the basis and reasoning?

Jewish was the deciding factor, in the same way that when the Americans sent the Japanese-Americans to camps, being Japanese was the criterion.

But keep in mind that they didn't deport from everywhere. Strangely they didn't deport necessarily from Berlin.

I'm not sure how your great grandmothers' husbands were fighting on the front. For which army? Probably not the Polish Army, since that conflict was over quickly. But they probably were not deported because they weren't Jewish, eventhough they had Jewish surnames. A lot of surnames can be Jewish or non-Jewish. Fischer, Fisher, for instance. Or Rosenberg. --Usually Jewish but there's Nazi theorist Alfred Rosenberg. Many Jewish names were taken from the German language afterall.

Lastly when you think of the idea of Jews put on the trains, that is usually made-up lying horror stories same as the holocaust myth. For instance the Japanese-Americans were given some kind of transportation to the camps they went to, but do you ever hear about that transportation? With the Jews put on trains, the lying is often ridiculous, like "they put us in a cattle car and we couldn't breathe." Except that cattle cars have slats and are thus airy.

Hopefully you'll explore this site and realize that the holocaust is a myth. Use the keyword search for any element of the holocaust that comes to mind.

[Percysflower]

Hi, and welcome to the forum.

My question is, when the German’s were moving everybody out of their homes and onto the trains headed for the camps, how did they decide who was to be deported, what was the basis and reasoning?

Jewish was the deciding factor, in the same way that when the Americans sent the Japanese-Americans to camps, being Japanese was the criterion.

But keep in mind that they didn't deport from everywhere. Strangely they didn't deport necessarily from Berlin.

I'm not sure how your great grandmothers' husbands were fighting on the front. For which army? Probably not the Polish Army, since that conflict was over quickly. But they probably were not deported because they weren't Jewish, eventhough they had Jewish surnames. A lot of surnames can be Jewish or non-Jewish. Fischer, Fisher, for instance. Or Rosenberg. --Usually Jewish but there's Nazi theorist Alfred Rosenberg. Many Jewish names were taken from the German language afterall.

Lastly when you think of the idea of Jews put on the trains, that is usually made-up lying horror stories same as the holocaust myth. For instance the Japanese-Americans were given some kind of transportation to the camps they went to, but do you ever hear about that transportation? With the Jews put on trains, the lying is often ridiculous, like "they put us in a cattle car and we couldn't breathe." Except that cattle cars have slats and are thus airy.

Hopefully you'll explore this site and realize that the holocaust is a myth. Use the keyword search for any element of the holocaust that comes to mind.

Hi, thank you so much for your reply.

I’m not entirely sure, but my great grandfather was in the Polish army at that time, I may be wrong whether he was on the “front line” or not
I appreciate your time in responding. I understand what you mean regarding the Jewish surnames etc, but she was Polish, weren’t Poles & so many non Jewish nationalities also targets. 3 million non Jewish poles died, so why was her family left to continue as normal? That’s what I don’t understand, that yes because she wasn’t Jewish, but she was Polish, and they wanted to eradicate Poles too.

I don’t quite understand what you mean by the holocaust being a myth, if you could suggest some forum links that might elaborate on the topic, that would be great, only if you can. Thanks for your time

[borjastick]

as to why so many millions were deported, and so many were not. What are the grounds for this? Sincerely

Percysflower

Millions, millions?

And I'd like to say that contrary to the myth that is peddled not all jews were selected for forced deportation.

[Hannover]

Percy said:

"3 million non Jewish poles died".

So, what is your source for that number?
How did they supposedly die?

Thanks & welcome

- Hannover

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Perceysflower wrote

weren’t Poles & so many non Jewish nationalities also targets. 3 million non Jewish poles died, so why was her family left to continue as normal?

Her family, even with a Jewish surname, was allowed to continue, because the holocaust is a myth. 3 millions of non-Jewish Poles dying in the camps is also a myth. A real story which you heard from your family, is not jibing with the holocaust story, because the holocaust story is a myth.

I'd suggest a video called "Probing The Holocaust" because it's good and deals with the "non-Jewish genocide." It's better to download it, and watch it, because then you can watch it on a bigger screen than on youtube. It's here
https://codoh.com/library/document/4056/

If you watch that, I'll give you another one.

[Percysflower]

Thank you all for your input
I can see that you are all very involved with the debate and discussion regarding holocaust. The numbers I am quoting are based on articles, documentaries and pieces of information that I have read. 6 million Jews. 3 million Poles, those are the figures I have repeatedly come across. I have not ever been under the assumption that the holocaust is a myth, so forgive me that this is a little confusing for me. I am not saying I believe everything I read, but I used the numbers of 3m Poles for example, to ask, living in Poland at that time, why wasn’t my grandmother amongst that number. Was it pot luck? Whether it was that number, greater, or less. Out of interest I have been reading and researching the holocaust, I can’t say that I have researched anything that has lead me to believe the holocaust is a myth. I feel that the evidence is there by photographs, for me that’s proof. I don’t quite understand the “myth” but I am open to watching the video link you’ve provided.

[Percysflower]

as to why so many millions were deported, and so many were not. What are the grounds for this? Sincerely

Percysflower

Millions, millions?

And I'd like to say that contrary to the myth that is peddled not all jews were selected for forced deportation.

So what was the deciding factor? If not all were selected?

[Grant1832]

It sounds to me that your family was viewed as being ordinary common people, perhaps not regarded as Jewish even if having a surname that could be Jewish sounding. Perhaps when the soldiers inspected the home they found no evidence to lead them to think the family was Jewish i.e. no religious artifacts on display, pictures or books or any orthodox type clothing. The other considerations may include political affiliations, your relatives were not activists or radicals or with any public prominence. This only a partial answer but I think it is better than some of the replies that you received.

[Hannover]

Percysflower tells us:

Thank you all for your input
I can see that you are all very involved with the debate and discussion regarding holocaust. The numbers I am quoting are based on articles, documentaries and pieces of information that I have read. 6 million Jews. 3 million Poles, those are the figures I have repeatedly come across. I have not ever been under the assumption that the holocaust is a myth, so forgive me that this is a little confusing for me. I am not saying I believe everything I read, but I used the numbers of 3m Poles for example, to ask, living in Poland at that time, why wasn’t my grandmother amongst that number. Was it pot luck? Whether it was that number, greater, or less. Out of interest I have been reading and researching the holocaust, I can’t say that I have researched anything that has lead me to believe the holocaust is a myth. I feel that the evidence is there by photographs, for me that’s proof. I don’t quite understand the “myth” but I am open to watching the video link you’ve provided.

You are welcome.

So why do you believe those numbers if you have never seen proof of them?

IOW, if there is no proof for your numbers, '6M Jews' & '3M Poles', the rest of your inquiry is pointless.
It's what is known as 'garbage in, garbage out'. You are making inquiries, judgements, etc. based upon false assumptions.

Before going off in a million different directions , let's use the labor camp of Auschwitz, Poland, which is said to have been an 'extermination camp', to help you see the absurdity of the 'holocaust' claims.

Auschwitz

An "extermination camp" where thousands of Jews chose to be left behind when the Germans left.

An "extermination camp" where most of the inmates, more thousands, chose to leave WITH the 'evil' Germans.

An "extermination camp" where 1,250,000 human remains are supposedly buried, but no one can show us these remains.

An "extermination camp" where the absurdly alleged homicidal 'gas chambers' could not have worked as alleged, as proven repeatedly, scientifically.

An "extermination camp" where fake 'gas chambers' were "reconstructed" AFTER THE WAR.

An "extermination camp" where detailed aerial photos of the period show nothing that is alleged to have been happening.

An "extermination camp" where there are obvious, laughable attempts to tamper with aerial photos that make a mockery of the fake storyline.
see:
Auschwitz Aerial photos, tampered with to fit the fake story
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11669&p=87558

An "extermination camp" where there are countless Jew "survivors".

An "extermination camp" where so called "survivors" say the most impossible and conflicting things that do not hold up to scrutiny and would be laughed out of a legit court of law.

Healthy Jews at Auschwitz 'liberation':

- Hannover

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable 'holocaust' storyline is the message.

[Moderator]

Percy:
Please review our guidelines.
You have been asked some questions here regarding your claims. Per our guidelines you cannot avoid those questions and continue in the thread. IOW, 'dodging' is not acceptable at this form. Please answer the questions / challenges put to you. We are all about debate here.
Thanks, M1

[flimflam]

Percy:
Please review our guidelines.
You have been asked some questions here regarding your claims. Per our guidelines you cannot avoid those questions and continue in the thread. IOW, 'dodging' is not acceptable at this form. Please answer the questions / challenges put to you. We are all about debate here.
Thanks, M1

For Christ's sake, give the guy a break. I see this tactic all the time when debating Zionists, they ask a question and then demand over and over that you answer it. If someone, especially a newbie, doesn't answer a question then leave it alone. Instead codoh starts with aggressive questions, quoting guidelines, and bullying. I've seen it before. This guy is not Robert Muelenkamp.

[Hannover]

Percysflower,

A bit repetitious perhaps, but let's be clear:

What are your sources for your '6M Jews' & 3M Poles'? What are the primary sources? Just made up?

How do you rationalize all those points about Auschwitz that I listed above?

Where are the allegedly known massive human remains?

How did the alleged 'gas chambers' supposedly work.

What reply do you have to this?
the alleged Auschwitz gas chambers & alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process see analysis at:
http://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywo ... sf=msgonly

Thanks, Hannover

“we’ve often fantasized about drawing up an indictment against Adolf Hitler himself. And to put into that indictment the major charge: the Final Solution of the Jewish question in Europe, the physical annihilation of Jewry. And then it dawned upon us, what would we do? We didn’t have the evidence.”

- so called "holocaust historian" Raul Hilberg

[flimflam]

Percysflower,

A bit repetitious perhaps, but let's be clear:

What are your sources for your '6M Jews' & 3M Poles'? What are the primary sources? Just made up?

He already answered that question ..

"The numbers I am quoting are based on articles, documentaries and pieces of information that I have read. 6 million Jews. 3 million Poles, those are the figures I have repeatedly come across."

How many times do you want to ask it?

And stop with the accusations and insults .... "Just made up?"

[Hannover]

Percysflower,

A bit repetitious perhaps, but let's be clear:

What are your sources for your '6M Jews' & 3M Poles'? What are the primary sources? Just made up?

He already answered that question ..

"The numbers I am quoting are based on articles, documentaries and pieces of information that I have read. 6 million Jews. 3 million Poles, those are the figures I have repeatedly come across."
How many times do you want to ask it?
And stop with the accusations and insults .... "Just made up?"

- No he hasn't.
"articles, documentaries and pieces of information that I have read"? That's it?
What "articles, documentaries and pieces of information"?

I also asked, and you ignored or don't understand: " What are the primary sources?"
Must I explain?

- I'll ask a million times if need be.
What's your problem with asking questions at a debate forum?
Are they just a little too spot-on for you?

- What "accusation and insults"? Apparently it went right by you, but "Just made up" was in reference to his sources. Please review.

I suggest you look before you leap. Now take a deep breath, flimflam.

Hannover

If you start with false premises, everything you subsequently extrapolate from those premises will likewise carry along the original error and thus exhibit error within themselves; aka: garbage in, garbage out.