New research uncovers strong evidence that Jews were murdered BEFORE they reached Treblinka

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‘Oh what a tangled web we weave/When first we practice to deceive’ means that when you lie or act dishonestly you are initiating problems and a domino structure of complications which eventually run out of control.

This quote sums up what most of the holocaust stories and claims is about. People get carried away with lying and jews being jews they tell stories, always have. Their whole religion is based on stories and odd claims. When it comes to their claims in the holocaust they have told massive porky pies and then they change them to suit the feelings and evidence of the time. This thread is a classic example of that.

For those who are not sure about this behaviour by the jews (mainly the Thirteenth Tribe) just look at what they do continuously in israel today.

If you look at that story telling it is commonly starting from true precepts, but then using a twisted substitute of logic that leads to false impressions and ideas. It's the way that you can use camps, showers, trains, shoes, crematoria, delousing tools and consumable as evidence for an 'extermination' program. Now those involved in creating the narrative are of course not all Jewish. But they worked with a precept and preconceptions in mind that are guaranteed to conclude them that this all is evidence for an extermination program run by Hitler to exterminate the Jews.

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Those Jews who died by the thousands while being transported east toward Treblinka, like revisionists claim; Did they willingly board those trains?

Is forcing people to board trains, transporting them against their will to places they didn't agree to go to, forcing them to do labor that they did not voluntarily agree to do and transporting them under conditions that could foreseeably cause injury and death (all things that revisionists claim happened) lawful?

Good question? Is anything a government does, because it is the government ever lawful. The same people complaining that the NS-administration did use legislation, regulation, compulsion and coercion that push through their polices have no problem, when their governments do apply governments / political parties of choice do that.
Do people willingly pay taxes, fill in paper work, stop at traffic, abide to rules, etc.? Bear in mind that even the most benign government measures can have bad and lethal consequences. Think of compulsory schooling for example. How many kids don't end up as drug addicts, fall victims of sexual abuse are even murdered in connection with compulsory schooling?

One can also turn at around. You say the Jews did not consent to their resettlement and removal. OK, when did the Germans, Poles, Dutch, Hungarians, French, etc... ever consent to the presence of Jews in their respective territories. Fact is they didn't and many did actually resent their presence for quite legitimate reasons.

Your whole approach to arguing got a smell of gaslighting to it. You realize you can't salvage the extermination by gassing narrative... But perhaps we can make it about 'discrimination', 'coercion' and 'potential consequences'? Given the attention the matter did get more than anything else. Can we give it that attention again, once we have attended all the issues we have neglected, when they were busy promoting the Holocaust?


And while you are at it:
Do you even realize who gave those that boarded the trains instructions to board these trains? I mean that's something one should know when dealing with matters of lawfulness, legality, etc. Especially when one wants to play the judge in those matters.

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Now let us rail back to Treblinka.

Vasily Grossman was a chemical engineer before coming a full-time writer.
At some point his writings made him kind of a nonperson.
He was nearly labelled as "enemy of the people" for his anti-Soviet writings.
His apartment was raided by KGB as he was subject of state persecution.

Before this he wrote how Josef Hirtreiter was able to tear children in half when he was stationed at Treblinka.
After describing Hirtreiter's appearance, Grossman continued to write about "cyclops, creatures with two heads, as well as the corresponding terrible spiritual monstrosities and perversities." (I wonder why Claude Lanzmann didn't interview Josef Hirtreiter.)

"Grossman's description of a physically unlikely method of killing a living human through
tearing-by-hand originated from the 1944 memoir of the Treblinka revolt survivor Jankiel Wiernik,
where the phrase to "tear the child in half" appeared for the first time.
Wiernik himself never worked in the Auffanglager receiving area of the camp where Hirtreiter served,
and so was repeating hearsay."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Gr ... _Treblinka
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Indeed, the first generation 'Holocaust accounts' is so riddled with unbelievably stupid fairy tales. It is beyond reason why anybody would believe this or even taken any Holocaust allegation seriously.

On the other hand, the fact that Holocaust Tales are so patently stupid explains why so many people cleave jealously on the Holocaust narrative. If it became common knowledge that the Holocaust Myth based on lies even very silly lies... It would let the majority of intellectuals and academics that gave credence to the story look stupid, in fact very stupid. They would look like fools once people realized that would the Allies spread about NS-Germany was exactly that All-Lies. In that case, they would be too ashamed to show their faces in public ever again.


Actually, Claude Lanzmann should be credited by the Revisionist side. What was probably promoted as 'convincing proof of the Holocaust" does actually do exactly the opposite. All those dimwits, players and liars he gives a soap box are worth gold for Revisionists. Admittedly some of the Video Clips not in the mega opus are even worse. It's almost like a cry for help there. As if they realize it is al Lie, but are so captivated by the lie that they can't help admitting and dropping it.

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Your information provided shows a potential link connecting Karski , Roosevelt, konzentrationslager Ohrdruf with Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in Europe,. Eisenhower was with Generals George S. Patton and Omar Bradley.

Seeing the Nazi crimes committed at Ohrdruf made a powerful impact on Eisenhower, and he wanted the world to know what happened in the concentration camps. On April 19, 1945, he again cabled Marshall with a request to bring members of Congress and journalists to the newly liberated camps so that they could bring the horrible truth about German Nazi atrocities to the American public link

It appears the typhus was the cause of death in this camp, a satellite camp of Buchenwald.

He did not see any "NAZI CRIMES"... Not even in the official story this is claimed. What they saw was some starving, sick and dead people. What that was the result of they did not see. But it is of course something that will lead people to jump to conclusions.

And that's why they brought in as many people, especially journalists starving for sensation, to this kind of locations.

As for George Patton what was his actual cause of death. It sounds there is some controversy about this. And that he became unpopular for making remarks on America policy and Jews.