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Re: Shoah film 'witnesses' were paid says director Lanzmann

Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:51 am)

hermod wrote:....
What makes you think that it was written by Hoess under supervision? Good ghostwriters can create a whole life out of thin air with a few biographical notes and a lot of imagination. A New York unemployed Jewish writer or another didn't need more than some biographical information on Rudolf Hoess, a copy of the Vrba-Wetzler "report," and a transcript of Hoess' testimony at the Nuremberg show trial to write such a book.


It's a working hypothesis. I assume that Hoess was in Communist Polish Custody. And that he was kind of their "star prisoner". It's highly unlikely that he didn't draw the attention of 'the authorities'. If he wrote a longer text, there would be supervision.

I can't of course say that it wasn't a ghostwriter, but getting a prisoner (fearing for his life and the life of his children) to write something you want sounds more feasible to me. There is of course problems with the text, but that doesn't mean it was a ghostwriter. What it means is that the text does describe things that aren't real. That didn't happen.

I'm using Occam's razor here, assuming the lowest effort to get something into being.

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Re: Shoah film 'witnesses' were paid says director Lanzmann

Postby hermod » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:43 am)

Hektor wrote:I can't of course say that it wasn't a ghostwriter, but getting a prisoner (fearing for his life and the life of his children) to write something you want sounds more feasible to me. There is of course problems with the text, but that doesn't mean it was a ghostwriter. What it means is that the text does describe things that aren't real. That didn't happen.

I'm using Occam's razor here, assuming the lowest effort to get something into being.


Having a prisoner who was not a literary man write a whole was not the lowest effort if I'm asked.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Shoah film 'witnesses' were paid says director Lanzmann

Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:55 am)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:I can't of course say that it wasn't a ghostwriter, but getting a prisoner (fearing for his life and the life of his children) to write something you want sounds more feasible to me. There is of course problems with the text, but that doesn't mean it was a ghostwriter. What it means is that the text does describe things that aren't real. That didn't happen.

I'm using Occam's razor here, assuming the lowest effort to get something into being.


Having a prisoner who was not a literary man write a whole was not the lowest effort if I'm asked.


It's a way to keep him busy. The issue would be to compare those writings with other texts to check the grammar and style. Perhaps the handwriting, but this is high effort to do.

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Re: Shoah film 'witnesses' were paid says director Lanzmann

Postby hermod » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:17 pm)

Hektor wrote:It's a way to keep him busy. The issue would be to compare those writings with other texts to check the grammar and style. Perhaps the handwriting, but this is high effort to do.


Copying someone's writing style and handwriting is no problem for professional ghostwriters and forgers. Has Hoess left other writings behind for comparison in the first place?
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Shoah film 'witnesses' were paid says director Lanzmann

Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:15 pm)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:It's a way to keep him busy. The issue would be to compare those writings with other texts to check the grammar and style. Perhaps the handwriting, but this is high effort to do.


Copying someone's writing style and handwriting is no problem for professional ghostwriters and forgers. Has Hoess left other writings behind for comparison in the first place?



Good question. It was never openly challenged to be 'his writing', but it was never affirming neither. At least I wouldn't know about this.
Any official article will claim that he wrote this. No 'Quellenkritik' though. Not sure, if people that knew him did affirm that it his writing. The wife coud possibly, but I think she was rather distressed about the accusations being made (since she did not know anything about this).
Hedwig Hoess was interrogated at the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial.
https://archive.org/details/HedwigHoess ... itzProzess
They ask about details they may have had from 'memoirs'. It does not sound, if she's affirming the extermination narrative. She doesn't dispute it openly neither.

His daughter is mildly Revisionist:
Perhaps one consequence of keeping the past so private is that it remains insufficiently examined. Brigitte tells me she has never visited the National Holocaust Museum.

She does not deny that atrocities took place or that Jews and others were murdered in the concentration camps, but she questions that millions were killed. “How can there be so many survivors if so many had been killed?” she asks.

When I point out that her father confessed to being responsible for the death of more than a million Jews, she says the British “took it out of him with torture”.

“And your father, how do you remember him?” I ask.

“He was the nicest man in the world,” she says. “He was very good to us.” She remembers them eating together, playing in the garden, and reading the story of Hansel and Gretel.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 03930.html


Be it as it may, They will have interrogated Hoess over and over again. If he wrote 'memoirs' is of course another matter. I recall the memoirs were written with pencil. Hence 'correctible'.


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