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'It was as if I had peered into hell’: the man who brought the Nazi death squads to justice

Postby borjastick » 6 years 3 months ago (Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:35 am)

It was as if I had peered into hell’: the man who brought the Nazi death squads to justice

I found this article yesterday in the Guardian newspaper. It's a little strange I think.

It concerns this little chappie Benjamin Ferencz
The chief prosecutor for the US in the case was former army sergeant Benjamin Ferencz. It was his first trial, and he was 27 at the time.

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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/fe ... in-ferencz

In 1945, as Nazi atrocities were uncovered, Ferencz was transferred to the headquarters of General Patton’s third army, tasked with setting up a new war-crimes branch. He was present at, or arrived soon after, the liberation of concentration camps including Buchenwald, Mauthausen, Flossenbürg and Ebensee, scouring the barbarous scenes for evidence of Nazi wrongdoing to present at trial. The most significants items he collected, he says, were the death registries, kept as meticulously by the Germans as hospital birth certificates.


Obviously he was not present at the liberation of any of the so called 'death camps' neither had he been to see any of the locations claimed for the mass murderous shootings of the Einsatzgruppen. Plus of course being jewish he could hardly have been an honest broker, an impartial observer. Nor could he, at the tender age of 27, have the necessary skills and experience to bring to bear. Yet he claims he was Chief Prosecutor on behalf of the US govt. in the case of The United States of America vs. Otto Ohlendorf, et al. as it was officially known.

I read what wikipedia has to say about the trial and will continue reading on the subject.

Here's the wiki web page url; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen_trial

Can anyone shed more light on this bloke and the trial and lack of evidence?

Ferencz says there were 22 defendants but the record shows 24, but that could be a simple admin error.

The page says that a full investigation was carried out to define the evidence etc but yet again we see no actual evidence of bodies, mass graves, location details and so on.

The judgement was quite powerful.

The Nuremberg Military Tribunal in its judgement stated the following:

[The facts] are so beyond the experience of normal man and the range of man-made phenomena that only the most complete judicial inquiry, and the most exhaustive trial, could verify and confirm them. Although the principal accusation is murder, [...] the charge of purposeful homicide in this case reaches such fantastic proportions and surpasses such credible limits that believability must be bolstered with assurance a hundred times repeated.

...a crime of such unprecedented brutality and of such inconceivable savagery that the mind rebels against its own thought image and the imagination staggers in the contemplation of a human degradation beyond the power of language to adequately portray.
The number of deaths resulting from the activities with which these defendants have been connected and which the prosecution has set at one million is but an abstract number. One cannot grasp the full cumulative terror of murder one million times repeated.
It is only when this grotesque total is broken down into units capable of mental assimilation that one can understand the monstrousness of the things we are in this trial contemplating. One must visualize not one million people but only ten persons — men, women, and children, perhaps all of one family — falling before the executioner's guns. If one million is divided by ten, this scene must happen one hundred thousand times, and as one visualizes the repetitious horror, one begins to understand the meaning of the prosecution's words, 'It is with sorrow and with hope that we here disclose the deliberate slaughter of more than a million innocent and defenseless men, women, and children.'[1]


I am always confused by the sentences handed down. In this case of the twenty four men found guilty many were sentenced to death but only four actually faced the drop. The rest were given fairly long terms, though not if one considers they were convicted of one million murders, but then let go after relatively short time served. Eg;
Heinz Jost SS Brigadeführer; member of the SD; commanding officer of Einsatzgruppe A Lifetime imprisonment commuted to 10 years; died 1964.

I feel quite strongly that the trials were a way of showing vengeance and control but in reality the western governments knew they had little or no evidence to go on, they probably knew the truth was far from what had been claimed and let these men and many others in the Nuremberg trials go quietly after between 5-10 years. All very odd in my opinion.
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Re: 'It was as if I had peered into hell’: the man who brought the Nazi death squads to justice

Postby hermod » 6 years 3 months ago (Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:19 am)

borjastick wrote:The page says that a full investigation was carried out to define the evidence etc but yet again we see no actual evidence of bodies, mass graves, location details and so on.


No evidence was needed because the 'Holocaust' was a conspiracy [theory] in the Nuremberg prosecutors' own terminology and conspiracies are essentially based on secrecy and so also on the lack of palpable evidence.

But don't worry. Other graphic/pictorial 'evidence' finally gave meaning to WW2 anyway... :roll:

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I am always confused by the sentences handed down. In this case of the twenty four men found guilty many were sentenced to death but only four actually faced the drop. The rest were given fairly long terms, though not if one considers they were convicted of one million murders, but then let go after relatively short time served. Eg;
Heinz Jost SS Brigadeführer; member of the SD; commanding officer of Einsatzgruppe A Lifetime imprisonment commuted to 10 years; died 1964.

I feel quite strongly that the trials were a way of showing vengeance and control but in reality the western governments knew they had little or no evidence to go on, they probably knew the truth was far from what had been claimed and let these men and many others in the Nuremberg trials go quietly after between 5-10 years. All very odd in my opinion.


Light sentences were precisely what secured the easy obtaining of hair-raising 'confessions' in quite numerous instances at the postwar mock trials of the deceased Third Reich. Were part of the deal.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: 'It was as if I had peered into hell’: the man who brought the Nazi death squads to justice

Postby Kingfisher » 6 years 3 months ago (Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:22 pm)

From the Guardian article in the OP.
The most significants items he collected, he says, were the death registries, kept as meticulously by the Germans as hospital birth certificates.
Ah that fiendish German efficiency again! How could those brutes keep proper death records? Proof certain they had something to hide.

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Re: 'It was as if I had peered into hell’: the man who brought the Nazi death squads to justice

Postby borjastick » 6 years 3 months ago (Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:17 am)

hermod said
Light sentences were precisely what secured the easy obtaining of hair-raising 'confessions' in quite numerous instances at the postwar mock trials of the deceased Third Reich. Were part of the deal.


To me that is most unlikely. Think of it this way -

The interrogator says to Fritz in his miserable cell 'OK Fritz you've been a good prisoner what with not killing yourself and all that, like some of your mates, so we're gonna go light on you and give you a break. I've got this confession for you to agree and sign. In it you will admit to shooting ninety thousand jews all over eastern europe in fields and woods that we haven't found and frankly can't be frickin' bothered to look for, oh and a few thousand more were handed over by you to Doctor Mengele to play with after he had personally inspected each and every one. You sign this here my boy and we'll sentence you to death, but then we'll commute that sentence to life, and then because we love you to bits and it makes us look like we're the good guys saving the planet from Nazis we'll let you out in ten years. OK?'
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Re: 'It was as if I had peered into hell’: the man who brought the Nazi death squads to justice

Postby hermod » 6 years 3 months ago (Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:04 am)

borjastick wrote:hermod said
Light sentences were precisely what secured the easy obtaining of hair-raising 'confessions' in quite numerous instances at the postwar mock trials of the deceased Third Reich. Were part of the deal.


To me that is most unlikely. Think of it this way -

The interrogator says to Fritz in his miserable cell 'OK Fritz you've been a good prisoner what with not killing yourself and all that, like some of your mates, so we're gonna go light on you and give you a break. I've got this confession for you to agree and sign. In it you will admit to shooting ninety thousand jews all over eastern europe in fields and woods that we haven't found and frankly can't be frickin' bothered to look for, oh and a few thousand more were handed over by you to Doctor Mengele to play with after he had personally inspected each and every one. You sign this here my boy and we'll sentence you to death, but then we'll commute that sentence to life, and then because we love you to bits and it makes us look like we're the good guys saving the planet from Nazis we'll let you out in ten years. OK?'


And what about this one?

"OK Fritz, good news: we've got a generous offer for you. Help us to convict your colleagues Hans and Friedrich* by repeating in court what he'll tell you, and you're out in 3 or 4 years at the latest. We know that you're a good guy and that you were just a cog in an unstoppable machine. We know that you're not like Hans and Friedrich, those bloody bastards working with you. We can understand that. And National Socialism is now dead and buried forever anyway. Don't ruin the rest of your life for a deceased ideology and an obsolete oath. Be smarter than that. If you collaborate with us, you can have a brilliant future full of joy and happiness. Don't you think that Gretchen needs her young husband and Heinrich needs his loving father? Don't you want to see them again? Of course, you do. And you don't want the pretty Gretchen and the young Heinrich to experience "life" in a Soviet Gulag, don't you? So just make the only right & sensible choice: help us in the coming trial and begin a new life very soon. You'll get a 10-year or 20-year sentence because of your involvement, but I can guarantee you that you'll be out before 1950. We have no serious grievances against you. We only want to punish the sadistic criminals like Hans and Friedrich, not the unfortunate young men like you, who could not do otherwise. However I must warn you that we'll send you rot in jail until your death or even worse if you ever tell anybody about our little agreement when you're out. Is that clear? Who would believe you anyway?"

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* Since very numerous so-called Nazi 'confessions' were not even confessions as alleged but mere charges against other guys.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: 'It was as if I had peered into hell’: the man who brought the Nazi death squads to justice

Postby cold beer » 6 years 3 months ago (Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:26 pm)

hermod wrote:
borjastick wrote:The page says that a full investigation was carried out to define the evidence etc but yet again we see no actual evidence of bodies, mass graves, location details and so on.


No evidence was needed because the 'Holocaust' was a conspiracy [theory] in the Nuremberg prosecutors' own terminology and conspiracies are essentially based on secrecy and so also on the lack of palpable evidence.

But don't worry. Other graphic/pictorial 'evidence' finally gave meaning to WW2 anyway... :roll:

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I am always confused by the sentences handed down. In this case of the twenty four men found guilty many were sentenced to death but only four actually faced the drop. The rest were given fairly long terms, though not if one considers they were convicted of one million murders, but then let go after relatively short time served. Eg;
Heinz Jost SS Brigadeführer; member of the SD; commanding officer of Einsatzgruppe A Lifetime imprisonment commuted to 10 years; died 1964.

I feel quite strongly that the trials were a way of showing vengeance and control but in reality the western governments knew they had little or no evidence to go on, they probably knew the truth was far from what had been claimed and let these men and many others in the Nuremberg trials go quietly after between 5-10 years. All very odd in my opinion.


Light sentences were precisely what secured the easy obtaining of hair-raising 'confessions' in quite numerous instances at the postwar mock trials of the deceased Third Reich. Were part of the deal.


Where does that Eisenhower quote come from?

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Re: 'It was as if I had peered into hell’: the man who brought the Nazi death squads to justice

Postby hermod » 6 years 3 months ago (Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:28 pm)

cold beer wrote:Where does that Eisenhower quote come from?


I heard it in a French documentary. And after that, I found it in English in this book: https://books.google.be/books?id=yrqNBQ ... 22&f=false
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: 'It was as if I had peered into hell’: the man who brought the Nazi death squads to justice

Postby cold beer » 6 years 3 months ago (Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:04 am)

hermod wrote:
cold beer wrote:Where does that Eisenhower quote come from?


I heard it in a French documentary. And after that, I found it in English in this book: https://books.google.be/books?id=yrqNBQ ... 22&f=false


Excellent, thank you.

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Re: 'It was as if I had peered into hell’: the man who brought the Nazi death squads to justice

Postby Hannover » 6 years 3 months ago (Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:28 am)

There's more about Benjamin Ferencz that Wikipedia won't mention, see below. He was clearly an immoral Zionist monster.

'Did Benjamin Ferencz really parachute into Berlin?'
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'Extra: LIVE JEWS PUT IN ROAD MIXER'
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'Mengele denied performing ghastly experiments on anybody'
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- Hannover

Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869?

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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.


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