Zolton wrote:
Ironically, revisionists are supporting new evidence that strongly supports the hypothesis that the majority of Jews who were being transited eastward towards Treblinka were murdered BEFORE they ever reached the camp.
"five or ten percent died en route"
Raul Hilberg in Shoah
Previously, establishment historians and revisionists alike have generally accepted the view that 1.2 million Jews actually ended up in the Treblinka II (TII) camp. What has not been confirmed up until recently (via the information in the database) is that in most of the stops over the various train schedules, each stop was actually a labor camp (or up to several labor camps in the same area).
Are you questioning the reliability of testimonies given by Samuel (Szmuel) Willenberg a.k.a. "Igo",
Jankiel (Yankel, Yaakov, or Jacob) Wiernik, Chil (Enrique) Meyer Rajchman a.k.a. Henryk Reichman a.k.a. Henryk Ruminowski,
Eliahu Rosenberg, Richard Glazar (Goldschmid) and Abraham Bomba?
https://codoh.com/library/document/abra ... blinka/en/These guys were the surviving members of approximately 700 Sonderkommandos
and some of them participated in Treblinka revolt (similar to Sobibor uprising).
The hypothesis being put forth by revisionists is that the question of "where did Jews [sent to Treblinka II] go" is perhaps irrelevant (or less relevant) as it can be argued that a majority of them never arrived at TII in the first place.
Lucy Werber arrived at Treblinka. A bit late.
No one (until recently) has really stopped to consider how many even made it that far along the train route(s).
Alex Werber scattered her mother's (Lucy Werber) ashes into Treblinka ground,
thus doing something that someone else could be prosecuted with.
Just a side note: this didn't bother Chief Rabbi Michael Schudrich
"She never made it to Treblinka, but she probably felt that was where she needed to go."
The ceremony capped an emotional journey that forced Werber to explore his family's dark history and vividly illustrated Treblinka's notorious place in the Jewish psyche.https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/jewi ... -treblinkaRevisionists say they cannot prove where anyone did or did not disembark from the trains, However, some do say that evidence strongly suggests many (if not most) of them disembarked before ever getting as far as Treblinka. It turns out, the number which documents show were sent "to Treblinka", in many cases, probably never arrived there at all. This is new information.
The Germans had some much trouble disguising the gas chambers as showers and many didn't arrive there?
Richard Glazar told in Shoah how women and children were shot in Lazarett
while the men were gassed immediately. Or women had to wait until the men were gassed.
Some other witness told how Germans tore children apart with their bare hands.
At this point, revisionists won't give any precise estimate at all of how many Jews disembarked at any of the given stops or arrived at the nearby labor camps. But some say that it can be argued, based on sound evidence, that tons of people disembarked from the train before ever getting near TII. The fact that some examples have already been shown is sufficient to suggest that Jews were, in fact, transported between the various labor camps along the line.
Richard Glazar also told in Shoah about typhus breakout and how the lives of sonderkommandos were dependable on the arriving trains.
= sonderkommando were useless without arriving
prisoners gas chambers victims.
The discovery of the many labor camps en route impact our understanding of the ‘extermination’ narrative as a whole.
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And we should understand the Treblinka narrative as a whole.
"The survivors became the only source of knowledge about Treblinka,
because the Nazis all but destroyed it in a frantic bid to cover their tracks."https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewi ... -TreblinkaNazi camp was bulldozed in 1943 and excavation was barred after war out of respect for victimshttps://www.haaretz.com/2014-03-30/ty-a ... af066e0000
the Nazis razed all three Reinhard camps https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ath-camps/"All the history books states that Treblinka was destroyed by the Nazis, in summary, the survey demonstrated that this simply isn't the case."- Caroline Sturdy Colls
So Nazis didn't destroy the camp? Where did this "destroyed by the Nazis" story start?
"What was the significance of this strange discovery? Two of the few living Treblinka survivors testified that the Nazis disguised the front of gas chambers to resemble a mikvah, or ritual bathhouse, complete with tiles bearing the Star of David."https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/jewi ... ers-346947Read the comment section
Tiles found in Treblinka confirm existence of gas chambers
Star of David-stamped tiles are consistent with Holocaust survivors' reports of appearance of the Nazi extermination camp's gas chambers.https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 25,00.htmlTiles were manufactured by Dziewulski i Lange porcelain factory
"The tiles from Opoczno found at Treblinka were erroneously perceived as featuring a Star of David. Further analysis by Polish scientists led to the discovery of the true origins of the star identified as the historic trademark of the company which made the Treblinka tiles. The theory of the Star of David was therefore put to rest."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opoczno_S.A.
Same Wikipedia article says about Treblinka:
"gas chambers disguised as shower-rooms"Vasily Grossman wrote about chamber of moving knives in his book A Writer at War.
It was under one these baths (banya).
Samuel D. Kassow (American historian of the history of Ashkenazi Jewry) wrote about electric chair designed to kill ten thousand Jews and Poles a day in his book Who Will Write Our History?.
Questioning these things might get you in trouble.
