Debunking Claims About Hitler's Intimate Relationships

[fireofice]

Hitler being a pedo is not discussed enough imo. Virtually everyone he dated was a teenager. Eva Braun was 17 years old. Geli Raubal was also around 17. Maria Reiter was around 16 as well. All known sexual relationships Hitler had started with teenagers whilst he was in his 30s & even 40s.It shows a particular type of masculinity expressing itself. Everyone has met a Hitler. That weird dude who is 35 yet hits on 17 year olds.

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First of all, there is no good evidence Hitler had any sexual interest in his niece Geli Raubal. This isn't mentioned here, but it's usually claimed that he killed her out of jealously as well. Again, no good evidence for that either. Geli killed herself and there's no good evidence suggesting otherwise. I read Otto Strasser's "Hitler and I" and he tries to portray Hitler as murdering his niece with no evidence. It was propagated by people who didn't like Hitler.

As for Maria Reiter:

The details of Reiter's story about their physical relationship cannot be confirmed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Reiter

Finally, importing modern notions of the proper age of consent back then in Europe and judge them as a "pedophile" is not legitimate. Even today, the age of consent in Germany is 14:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_c ... pe#Germany

I'm not saying that the law in Germany has the "right" age of consent, but all I'm saying is that an age of consent of 18 is not the universal objective standard everyone has agreed to. Nor is it agreed to by everyone that it makes them a "pedophile" to violate the 18 standard.

And even with an age of consent of 18, one year under the age of 18 at the age of 17 is hardly a big deal. Reminds of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tln8wQ9knxs

[Otium]

"Pedophile" is the wrong word anyway. Technically Hitler would be called an "Ephebophile". But this term didn't catch on because most people didn't want to classify pubescant sexual attraction which is normal and healthy as something which could be considered perverse. Giving it a name does that, even though there are names of all ranges of sexual attraction: pedophilia (ages younger than 11), hebephilia (roughly, ages 11 or 12–14), ephebophilia (ages 15-19) and gerontophilia (elderly people). The fact is Hitler wasn't attracted to pre-pubescant women/girls; so there goes that accusation.

The existence of men whose erotic interest centers on pubescents has not, of course, been totally ignored. Glueck (1955) coined the term hebephiles to refer to them. This term has not come into widespread use, even among professionals who work with sex offenders. One can only speculate why not. It may have been confused with the term ephebophiles, which denotes men who prefer adolescents around 15–19 years of age (Krafft-Ebing & Moll, 1924). Few would want to label erotic interest in late- or even mid-adolescents as a psychopathology, so the term hebephilia may have been ignored along with ephebophilia.

Blanchard R, Lykins AD, Wherrett D, Kuban ME, Cantor JM, Blak T, Dickey R, Klassen PE. Pedophilia, hebephilia, and the DSM-V. Arch Sex Behav. 2009 Jun;38(3):335-50. doi: 10.1007/s10508-008-9399-9. Epub 2008 Aug 7. PMID: 18686026.

There is no proof Hitler was sexually attracted to any of these women anyway, he may have merely been romantically interested in them. There isn't even any proof he had sex with Eva Braun

[Hektor]

"Pedophile" is the wrong word anyway. Technically Hitler would be called an "Ephebophile". But this term didn't catch on because most people didn't want to classify pubescant sexual attraction which is normal and healthy as something which could be considered perverse. Giving it a name does that, even though there are names of all ranges of sexual attraction: pedophilia (ages younger than 11), hebephilia (roughly, ages 11 or 12–14), ephebophilia (ages 15-19) and gerontophilia (elderly people). The fact is Hitler wasn't attracted to pre-pubescant women/girls; so there goes that accusation.....

Classifying the sexual attraction would be based on physical development of the person one is attracted do. Pedophiles are sexually attracted to sexually undeveloped people (children). Age isn't really the deciding factor in this, it's however used, because it is more manageable in the legal system.

There is 17 year old girls/women who are fully developed physically. Sometimes even younger. Attraction to them is def. not pedophilia. Those saying this are commonly older women who fear the competition of younger ones. That got more to do with envy than with concern about 'dirty old men, preying on children'. Women that are older are generally less attractive to men. There is numerous reasons for this. The older a women gets the less pregnancies/children she can have. And the likelihood of her having various sexual partners is higher as well.

Also the obsession with Hitler's Sexuality is rather obnoxious as well. But I guess even the dumbest people think that they at least can comment on issues relating to sex.

[hermod]

To people reading this thread in 2028 or later:

"Pedophile" used to be the intolerant name for "minor-attracted person" (MAP) when MAPs were still being persecuted by narrow-minded pedophobes...

[Hektor]

To people reading this thread in 2028 or later:

"Pedophile" used to be the intolerant name for "minor-attracted person" (MAP) when MAPs were still being persecuted by narrow-minded pedophobes...

Is expressing disgust about pedophiles already a hate crime? I noticed there is a push for 'tolerance' on this as well.

I recall they have a monument for 'Hitler's homosexual victims', but didn't they put pedophiles into concentration camps as well? I would think so... Under the same legislation, I'd guess. No monument for the pedocaust, yet?

[hermod]

To people reading this thread in 2028 or later:

"Pedophile" used to be the intolerant name for "minor-attracted person" (MAP) when MAPs were still being persecuted by narrow-minded pedophobes...

Is expressing disgust about pedophiles already a hate crime? I noticed there is a push for 'tolerance' on this as well.

I recall they have a monument for 'Hitler's homosexual victims', but didn't they put pedophiles into concentration camps as well? I would think so... Under the same legislation, I'd guess. No monument for the pedocaust, yet?

Not yet, but they are already portraying themselves as a stigmatized group and they are promoting the use of the neutral name "minor-attracted person."

By the way, hard to fail to notice that the slippery slope is always vastly lubed with Jewish soap. And not only in Weimerika...

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[Hektor]

To people reading this thread in 2028 or later:

"Pedophile" used to be the intolerant name for "minor-attracted person" (MAP) when MAPs were still being persecuted by narrow-minded pedophobes...

Is expressing disgust about pedophiles already a hate crime? I noticed there is a push for 'tolerance' on this as well.

I recall they have a monument for 'Hitler's homosexual victims', but didn't they put pedophiles into concentration camps as well? I would think so... Under the same legislation, I'd guess. No monument for the pedocaust, yet?

Not yet, but they are already portraying themselves as a stigmatized group and they are promoting the use of the neutral name "minor-attracted person."

By the way, hard to fail to notice that the slippery slope is always vastly lubed with Jewish soap. And not only in Weimerika...
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So it's the usual modus operandi. "You victimized us", "We're only human beings", "tolerate our sexual orientation", "Do not discriminate".

It's more like a euphemism. I just wonder how Magnus Hirschfeld dealt with thus. He had quite a collection on such 'cases' of sexual deviants I think that at least included some pederasty. I don't think that flourished in Weimar, but there were cases. . There were court cases against priests after Hitler took over. Would be interesting to see how many pedos got e.g. in concentration camps. And whether there were executions for this. The thing with the matter is always to proof it beyond reasonable doubt. With pederasty the victims are commonly too afraid to speak out. Society wasn't 'oversexed' then. The increase in pedophilia is definitely a post-war phenomenon. Although I doubt that it was promoted like "sexual liberation" or 'pornography. Homosexuality was promoted after the 1970s. They got it legalized first than only normalized. The 'consenting adults'-theme was part of it.


Hitler was called a homosexual, But this was mostly in 'dirty jokes'. People feel save to ascribe anything to him. And they often they believe, even absurd claims.

[Turpitz]

I see a great deal of intolerance reading this thread; the potential for certain posters to propagate Paedophobia, Bestiaphobia and Necrophobia is alarming. Does it not concern you knowing the trauma you might cause to any progressives that might be reading?

[Hektor]

I see a great deal of intolerance reading this thread; the potential for certain posters to propagate Paedophobia, Bestiaphobia and Necrophobia is alarming. Does it not concern you knowing the trauma you might cause to any progressives that might be reading?

Not really, but some woke clowns may actually be abhorred by this. And scream: "No tolerance towards this intolerance". I actually was confronted with this on the web already. I insisted that tolerance demands that they'd have to be tolerant towards opinions rejecting sexual perversions and behaviors. They reply was: "No tolerance towards intolerance". That was the whole idea behind 'repressive tolerance' by Marcuse. Insist on tolerance for anything progressive, reject tolerance for anything that is conservative"... That way the whole political debate can be skewed in an ever further going leftist direction. And the (often unaware) disciples of the Frankfurt School did exactly that. I wonder how they feel about Hitler being associated with sexual proclivities they try to normalize. Guess there will be some cognitive dissonance in this for them. But with both (Hitler-bashing and "sexual liberation") going on in the post 68s era, I guess they simply had to live with it. Previously people didn't discuss sexual subjects publicly, for sure didn't portray anything outside heterosexual, monogamous relationships as normal. Perpetual lamenting about a political personality was also not know... That all changed during the 1970s / 1980s. And became part of the communications diet afterwards. Anything about sexuality is accessible to anyone, it's just Revisionist or "Racist" sites that are tried to be suppressed. Interestingly the NEONAZI groups have almost vanished, since the 2000s. And I suspect that some of them were sort of intelligence operations to play the role of the 'bad guys' for the political debates going on. Doesn't mean the members weren't sincere, but plenty of key-figures had clearly other goals in this. There emergence was also a response by disgruntled youngsters against cultural changes going on. Meanwhile media is so pc and woke, it's almost unbelievable.

[Turpitz]

Mark my words, this LGQBT, or whatever it is, will be extended to include these other forms of cultural Marxist deviance. I remember when they legalised sodomy and the tolerant ones were wallowing in their self-gratitude. I told them, "further down the line they will manipulate you and convince you in the same way to legalise paedophilia." Suffice to say I was called the proverbial "Nazi" and told to go away and die. Here we are, twenty years later and its on the move and gaining momentum at a rapid rate. The Goy are so weak in character though, I wasn't aware until after these last three years just how weak they are, so I simply cannot see them faliing in their perverted endeavours.

[Hektor]

Mark my words, this LGQBT, or whatever it is, will be extended to include these other forms of cultural Marxist deviance. I remember when they legalised sodomy and the tolerant ones were wallowing in their self-gratitude. I told them, "further down the line they will manipulate you and convince you in the same way to legalise paedophilia." Suffice to say I was called the proverbial "Nazi" and told to go away and die. Here we are, twenty years later and its on the move and gaining momentum at a rapid rate. The Goy are so weak in character though, I wasn't aware until after these last three years just how weak they are, so I simply cannot see them faliing in their perverted endeavours.

There were already attempts to normalize this for longer. It's however that your 'mainstream'-LGBT' activist wasn't convenient with this in the past. There is simply the issue that, if lets say homosexuals would work and associate with pedosexuals, this could lead to a backlash in total. But they still lowered the age of consent for same-sex' relationships and sexual relationships in general.

The 'sexualizing' of society goes already on for a longer while. Previously this was a big Np-No for polite society . But this was breached through all kinds of means, pornography and 'sex education' where the tools in this. The arguments were of course never that 'we "want to normalize pedophilia". The argument was for example that pornography is 'freedom of expression' and that sex education was necessary to 'prevent unwanted pregnancies'. The age when this was part of the curriculum was also lowered over time. Those parents, etc. objecting to this were painted as 'old-fashioned', 'uptight', etc. the 'sexually liberated' were painted as cool, enlightened and fashionable. With time resistance eroded and sexually lewd behavior was seen as 'normal'. That's of course a cultural change. And well, when those taboos were corroded other taboos were introduced. I think that's what lead to political correctness. Not 'acting homosexual' was a taboo, but objecting to it was considered 'homophobic'... Psychoanalyzing the opposition was as introduced into debates. If you object to X than you are latently X.
And if you took a stronger stance, than you were literally the incarnation of Adolf Hitler.

What's of also used, of course, is that most people are now insecure to talk back, since they were also involved in some dubious behavior for which they feel ashamed or guilty themselves. Also full time 'civic activism' needs to be financed. Joe average doesn't have the time or resources for this. Debates need to be prepared academically. But academia is dominated by Neomarxists and leftist-liberal types. It's the march through the institutions: https://archive.org/details/helmut-sche ... stitutions
It's a comprehensive strategy and difficult to go against. All institutions that shape peoples ideas and behavior are 'infiltrated' over time. That's usually not done by people that consider themselves agents or infiltrators, but by folks that were influenced by certain kinds of ideas and attitudes themselves. That way the 'New ideas' become normalized over time.
Anyone that doesn't go along can be painted as 'literally Hitler' and that has power, because people believe in the Holocaust. If you don't want trannies to rape your kids, you are a NAZITHATWANTSTOGASSXIMILLIONJEWS. Them 'Nazis' being the symbol of 'sexual repressiveness' and epitome of inhumane cruelty. After all didn't they gas innocent Jews and put them in the oven.